To say... it's a fucking VIRUS

[ArtisanBreadBin]

The number of posts on here about how the NHS have recommended "antibac" no they haven't. I wipe it with "antibac" why would you. I can't find any "antibac" handwash, you don't fucking need it.

AIBU to hope that people can learn the difference between a fucking virus and a bacteria. If it was a bacteria it would be called CORONA fucking BACTERIA!!!!

In any case "antibac" is a waste of time and money, use soap and water. FML.

When I read OPs replies, I read it in the voice of veruca Salt.

Keep on washing your parsnips in soapy water @ArtisanBreadBin Although you'll probably find that cooking them is a better way to kill the virus and less likely to cause gastrointestinal issues.

And in one post, @goingoverground you illustrate why the UK will be in lockdown for longer than it needs to be.

The refusal to accept a virus is not a bacteria. Brilliant. I mean. Truly remarkable.

You're seeing things OP

No need to private message me op - I'm not interested in your high and mighty attitude.

I'm off to slather myself in antibacterial gel for the fun of it.

Just thought you might not want to join in with the "antibac" group think.

Clearly I was wrong and I'm delighted you think it's funny. Fingers crossed it doesn't make its way to you and cause you to have a rethink.

I was shocked to discover that my Dettol says it only kills viruses if used neat.

@sunshineonleithh in the current climate, I think that's important information. Do you agree?

It makes it different from information about bacteria, doesn't it?

Surely in a time of national crisis, these things should be clearly articulated to the public!!!

I think there has been a lot of misleading information around.
One issue is the use of "corona virus" to refer to the particular corona virus that is responsible for covid19. There are several corona viruses and I think it would have been wiser to use "covid19" from the outset.
Some journalists and media channels are doing this now.
Certain disinfectant manufacturers label their products as being effective against "corona virus". In my view this is somewhat disingenuous, because these products have not been tested against this particular corona virus. It is probable, but not proven, that certain products are effective, but we don't know.
The information published in the journal of hospital infection is helpful. The testing that has been done shows that detergent, bleach and alcohol are effective, but alcohol has to be in contact with surfaces for at least a minute before evaporating.
Hibiscrub ( antibacterial scrub used in hospital) is ineffective.
It was also helpful to know how long the virus remains on various surfaces.
I posted the link to the article on a few threads a couple of weeks ago. A couple of posters found it helpful, but the majority disagreed.
People are entitled to make up their own minds.

Hahaha fucking hell OP you've been arguing about anti-bac, like really arguing about it for quite some time. I'm so embarrassed for you, is there nothing else you could be doing?

aid it is effective against "some" viruses or whatevs. Sounds legit to rely on. I mean, "some" is a huge level of confidence

Thank you for confirming that you finally understand that I said it was effective against some viruses.

Surely 'anti-bac' is used like 'Hoover', as in you're not necessarily describing exactly what you're using, rather a loose, umbrella-type name?

I've personally found @chomalungma to be very reasoned, calm and knowledgeable. And the OP to be rabidly aggressive and rude in the face of obvious knowledge and clear explanation from her and @goingoverground.

OP, calm the fuck down; stress isn't good for you.

I cant see mention of active ingredient but if its not bleach or alcohol 60%+ it wont kill Covid 19

The bioguard contains :

DIDECYLDIMETHYL AMMONIUM CHLORIDE at 3-5%
www.bioguardhygiene.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Bioguard-Disinfectant-Cleaning-Solution-Concentrated-Range.pdf

It causes disruption of intermolecular interactions and dissociation of lipid bilayer

So basically it affects the lipid membrane of viruses.

I've never bought or used antibacterial anything. I've always used bleach.
However, if someone else prefers to use antibacterial sprays, gel, soap etc then that's their choice.
If it makes them feel happier and more secure in using it, then carry on.
There's more in life to worry about right now than whether antibacterial stuff is worth using or not.

Crikey it's still going on

Can't be bothered to read the last 700 pages - is the conclusion that Coronavirus is a VIRUS and anyone who uses antiBACTERIAL spray in an idiot?

@tellmetostopbutikeepongoing no. Not according to @chomalungma and @ColourMyDreams. If it makes you feel better then it's fine.

is the conclusion that Coronavirus is a VIRUS and anyone who uses antiBACTERIAL spray in an idiot

Maybe you should read the thread, make notes and then come to your own conclusion?

You could get a paper from this - along with references

Morning op

Thanks for the grudging apology

That wasn't an apology pet. It was a précis of the misinformation you're spreading.

ArtisanBreadBin

'Anti-bac' alcohol hand gel is what most people are buying though, which is why it is selling out so quickly.

The majority of products marketed as 'anti-bac' will also kill viruses. Soap kills both too, but it is not always practical or convenient.

Honestly, just don't engage.

OP thinks she knows more than people with masters degrees in the area and is deliberately being obtuse.

This has to be one of the most bonkers things I've seen on here

OP with a degree in biochemistry, regurgitating information from your lecturers years ago, you're hardly a voice to be so loud.
Whoop you understand antibac is meaning bacterial and you know bacteria and viruses are different - great! I'm surprised you learnt even those basics the amount you don't seem to be listening on this thread
EVERYONE .... she has a degree don't you know, she knows a virus isn't the same as bacteria ... great 👍
Thanks ... no really, it's given me a bit of a laugh this morning

You're so angry OP.
I'm interested in what you're saying but your manner is awful.

It was a précis of the misinformation you're spreading

So let's see what we agree on:

1. Bacteria and viruses are different. Obviously
2. Soap and water is effective against viruses. That's why handwashing is effective
3. Alcohol based hand gels can kill viruses. As long as they have the correct concentration
4. You can use disinfectants to kill viruses if they contain surfactants or bleach.
5. Surfactants disrupt the lipid membrane of viruses
6. Covid-19 has a lipid membrane. Destroy that and you have a dead virus
7. Covid-19 is a member of the Coronavirus family which is not as difficult to kill as Norovirus
8. Anti-bacterials may be effective against viruses if they contain either alcohol at the correct concentration or active ingredients such as surfactants or other ingredients that destroy viruses