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My sister blames me for childhood abuse

162 replies

Nevergoingbackthere · 08/04/2020 14:58

NC for this.

I just had the most horrible conversation with my DS (sister). Online, as we live in different countries. I live in the UK andmy DS still lives in our home country (in Europe), as well as my DF (father) and my mother.

The thing we were disagreeing about was our upbringing. I remember it being abusive, my DS remembers a struggling single mother and me, a dragon of a teenager, who our mother understandably lashed out to. Thus, any ‘abuse’ was my fault, according to my DS.

The first time my mother hit me was when I was 8. She said she wanted to use money I got for Christmas or birthday or something else, can’t quite remember, to buy clothes. I, an 8 year old, exclaimed that she can’t waste the money on that. She then hit me square in the face. I ran crying to my room and my mother followed me and apologised. Fine, I forgave her, it was a slap. But it escalated from there. More and more incidents happened. I would accidentally spill some yoghurt on the floor and she would scream at me and push my nose in it, like a dog. Then when I started crying she mocked me. Another time my sister and I were playing in the bedroom and she told us to be quiet. We then, after she left the room, went on whispering about her behind her back. She then (as she had been listening at the door) came storming back in, and one at a time, beat us with her fists, whilst shouting at us. You get the picture. As I grew up in this environment, I became more and more rebellious and volatile (no drugs, no crime, but shouting back at my mother when she once again lost the plot). Unfortunately as a result I got hit more and more. She would try to strangle me, drag me by my hair across the floor whilst hurling abuse at me, bite me, beat me with her fists etc. The more she did this the more I would talk back and call her names. My DS and I would fight too. We were shown violence was the answer so we acted this out. The fighting among us is another thing my DS solely blames on me btw. When I tell her that it was both of us and she was also violent towards me, she said that it was in defence and because I taught her, claiming herself as the innocent. Conveniently she doesn’t see the parallels (being shown the example) between my mother and us.

It finally stopped when one day, at 16, when my mother ran towards me again, fists clenched, to beat me, and I slapped her in the face and screamed she would never touch me again. That was the first and the last time that I slapped my mother.

A couple of years back I cut my mother out of my life completely and my life has never been better. I still have issues with low confidence etc. But I have had many sessions with a counsellor and I’m getting there. My DS is still in touch with our mother and we never talk about what happened.Until today. She claims I made it all up and that I was the one who was aggressive and the cause of any violence by either my mother or herself. This view is certainly enforced by my mother constantly telling me I was horrible, she wished I had never been born, and blaming me for her violence.

My DS believes that I was a monster as a teenager and that I brought everything on myself. That it was all my fault and my mother and DS were innocent bystanders. That if I wasn’t a ‘bad’ child/teenager nothing would have happened. She goes between this and claiming it didn’t happen full stop. Her proof for this: she was there, therefore she remember it correctly and I do not.

I’m not trying to paint myself as completely innocent, when my DS and I fought it was both our faults, and I yes I would shout abuse at my mother, but by that point I really hated her for what she had been doing to me. But I resent the fact that my DS claims that everything that happened is solely my fault. Whereas I believe that my DS and I were both victims. She’s just dealing with things differently. Thing is, from talking with friends I wasn't even out of the ordinary as a child/teenager but they didn't get hit and called names and I did.

I have tried telling my DS that her interpretation is textbook behaviour from someone who survived/witnessed childhood abuse and that her denial is only her way of trying to protect herself against the truth. Thing is she can cope with what happened how she wishes, but I draw the line at her telling me that the abuse was my fault. I have worked too hard on myself for years, and I will not have someone tell me that abuse is the victim’s fault, in order to protect themself, not even my DS. She refuses to read any articles which explain why siblings may remember abuse differently, or blame the victim. She categorically blames me.

How do we move on from this. We had a good relationship prior to this. But she will not back down from defending our mother in this and I will not accept her putting the blame at my feet.

As sometimes I do wonder whether everything was my fault, I put an AIBU:

AIBU the abuse was my fault/it probably didn’t happen

YANBU the abuse was not my fault, as I was a child, no matter how ‘difficult’

Thank you.

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SpeedwellBlue · 11/04/2020 21:58

she was after all a victim of both yours and your mother's actions and being a child does not absolve you if all responsibility for what occurred
What an awful thing to say to a childhood abuse victim. Op i hope the voting demonstrates that the vast majority of people don't think this. Flowers

Littlemissdaredevil · 11/04/2020 22:03

@SharonasCorona I’ve thought about it many times but he has kids

Landlubber2019 · 11/04/2020 23:17

I'm not sure the word 'gaslight' means what you think it means the op seems to be suggesting that the sister is in denial and creating false memories. Perhaps she is, however the op needs to accept the sisters version of events until the sister accepts the op alternative truth....

Landlubber2019 · 11/04/2020 23:47

Speedwell blue I have clearly stated that I believed the op was a victim of her mother's abuse. Neither have I suggested she was in any shape or form to blame, therefore I am unsure why you have made such comments

Whilst the op wasn't responsible for the altercations, I wonder has their been any acknowledgment as to the sisters feelings when all hell broke loose?

Sushiroller · 11/04/2020 23:53

Yanbu

What you have to grasp is depending on age you are you will have a totally different view on the situation and sometimes, sadly, you can't change that perception..

Nevergoingbackthere · 12/04/2020 06:24

@landlubber

she was after all a victim of both yours and your mother's actions and being a child does not absolve you if all responsibility for what occurred

Neither have I suggested she was in any shape or form to blame, therefore I am unsure why you have made such comments

I have spent a lifetime feeling responsible. My mother and DS (though I don't blame her) made sure of that. I won't anymore. My DS and I were both horrible to each other as children because of the environment we grew up in.

And as for accepting my DS's version of events where I 'had it coming' and where 'it wasn't really abuse'. No thanks. Child abuse isn't subjective as a PP pointed out.

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Nevergoingbackthere · 12/04/2020 06:31

@Sushiroller

Yes you are right, I have accepted she has a different view.

I know my truth is not the 'alternative truth' though (and I know it wasn't you who suggested that). There are usually several sides to a story but not when it comes to abuse.

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AnotherEmma · 12/04/2020 08:13

Landlubber

"she was after all a victim of both yours and your mother's actions and being a child does not absolve you if all responsibility for what occurred."
This comment is wrong and cruel.
Both sisters are victims of the mother's abuse.
The OP is not responsible for her sister's suffering, as much as the mother, sister and now you attempt to blame her.

"Whilst the op wasn't responsible for the altercations"
That's true and it sounds like backtracking. So do you take back your earlier comment, then?

Landlubber2019 · 12/04/2020 10:03

No I am not backtracking and the op wasn't responsible for the abuse caused to her or her sister. However the sister did suffer hugely. Unfortunately there seems no recognition or empathy towards the sisters position.

The question originally issued was did the op get what she deserved. No she didn't deserve what occurred and both children suffered.

AnotherEmma · 12/04/2020 10:11

"there seems no recognition or empathy towards the sisters position."

Actually the sister is the one failing to recognise or empathise towards the OP.

She has blamed her for their mother's abuse.

The OP is understandably deeply hurt by this.

You are making it worse by blaming her further.

The sisters' relationship has been damaged by the mother's abuse and it is for both sisters to repair, not just the OP. She can't repair it while her sister is continuing to blame her and deny her experiences are valid.

RapunzelinQuarantine · 12/04/2020 10:25

Landlubber2019 what a vile, evil post. You should be deeply ashamed of yourself.

Somanymistakes · 12/04/2020 11:10

You might not be able to move on unless your sister undergoes therapy and deals with her own past.
Until then she will continue to affirm that your mother, who she still sees and has to “justify” that to herself, was innocent.

Neither of you two were to blame. You were children when it started and learnt abusive behaviours. What else is going to happen?

However you have done brilliantly and MUST continue to move forward with your mental well-being. I haven’t read the replies but if you are not active in therapy now, I would strongly urge you to go back so you have a trusted person to hand hold you through this wobble between you and your sister. Don’t blame yourself. Don’t question your actions. Talk about this issue with a therapist and treat yourself kindly. You are doing amazingly well.

Your sister needs to help herself, the fact that she is beginning to be toxic towards you is, perhaps, an inevitable part of not dealing with this awful abuse you both had.
Don’t sacrifice your wellbeing for your sister. She is an adult. Perhaps write her a letter telling her how much you love her but that it wasn’t either of your fault and that you help she can get done help to work through it too. Then you may need to go low contact with her if this problem persists. It us unlikely to go away without intervention

Stay strong

SusanneLinder · 12/04/2020 11:29

My DH had a similar conversation with his brother where he was blamed for his mothers abuse. Brother was victim too, but he was the favoured child. In fact it was a vicious nasty email he got which resulted in a serious attempt by my DH to take his own life. DH is fine and it took years of therapy for him to get over it and is well now. I probably shouldn't have but I replied to it on DH's behalf ( he knows about it) and told BIL that if he ever contacted my family again that I wouldn't be responsible for my actions.
We cut our BIL out of our lives immediately and it's the best thing we ever did.

AnotherEmma · 12/04/2020 11:31

Susanne your poor DH Flowers

OverMy · 12/04/2020 11:38

OP it’s a fairly common tactic of abusive parents to divide the children from banding together by inciting conflict and having different rules.

Get one on side, ensure compliance for better treatment and then make the current pet one hate the current scapegoat. Alternating roles sometimes. It all means the chance of the children grouping to push back is lowered.

It’s a bit like abusive men removing women from the support of their friends and families but it’s done within the household.

Nevergoingbackthere · 12/04/2020 11:52

You will never know how much you are all helping me with your kind words. It is one thing assessing a situation as an outsider but when you have spent your formative years experiencing and witnessing abuse (and being told it is normal behaviour) it is quite hard to separate yourself from the child you once were.

Even though I know that a) it happened and b) my mother is to blame it's still so easy to be propelled back there. Years of being scapegoated for an adult's violent outbursts and being told I have to take responsibility for being beaten up, are very hard to shake off.

It's been a while since I was in therapy as I thought I had come through the other end. But I've decided to go back into therapy. Maybe this is one of those things you never truly get over and you need to keep working on.

I am so sorry for what your DH went through @susannelinder. And I'm so glad you told his BIL to get lost.

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BlackeyedSusan · 12/04/2020 11:59

all teens can be stroppy and flouncy. that is normal teen behaviour. It is for the adults to deal with reasonably.

and 8 ffs. very young.

YANBU

OverMy · 12/04/2020 12:48

OP it has taken me years and help to even part get my head round it from the inside. It’s a hackneyed phrase but it’s a journey that I don’t believe has a final destination. It is useful to remember that everyone involved had their own experience of it and they are each on their own journey living with it. Your sister is doing her own thing. If her view on it is impacting your mental health you need to do decide how you deal with that but you can’t expect her to validate you. While it hurts that she doesn’t (currently) support you - you can’t make her see it differently, she’s coping in her own way.

9caratyellowgold · 15/04/2020 22:09

OP - do you think your DS feels that you abused her?

Nevergoingbackthere · 16/04/2020 06:01

No. She says she was not abused full stop. And therefore she maintains I wasn't either.

She says she was scared of me, but I was of her too. We were both volatile, unsurprisingly.

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sashh · 16/04/2020 06:15

OP have a look at the 'Stately Homes' threads.

My brother and I had different childhoods, he was the golden child and I'm the scapegoat.

Mine was mostly psychological / mental abuse, the violence slowed down and stopped by the time I was 12ish.

There are some things that look like I was treated the same as my brother but I felt were abusive.

Eg VI form. My brother enjoyed school and went into his school VI form. I haved school and I wanted to work or if not then to go to college for an art course, the last place I wanted to be was the VI form at my brother's school. Guess where I was sent?

Frazzledmum123 · 16/04/2020 08:26

Even if you were a horrible, difficult child who started everything, that would be no excuse for your mother calling you names or being violent to you. I'm from a big family and we were all easy kids except one. I remember my sis screaming, slamming doors, being verbally abusive and even pushing my mum downs a few stairs once! Not once did my mum hit her or call her a name. She would ground her, talk her, cry even some times and take herself away from the situation for a bit by going in her room and eventually my sis came out of it and you wouldn't believe now what she had been like, we are all very close. This is 100% not your fault. I think you need to do what someone else said, tell her she can deny it all she wants but deep down she knows the truth and when shes ready to admit it, you will talk to her about it but until then, you font want to hear any more about your childhood or parents from her

Nevergoingbackthere · 16/04/2020 10:34

Just had a quick look at the Stately Homes thread.

Wow. Just wow. There are so many of us.
And so many like my DS and my mother (it's not REALLY abuse, you're crazy, it's your fault, etc.).

How anyone can read the posts on there and claim that sort of behaviour is normal. Mind boggling. It's as if our abusers and those in denial are staring at a black canvas and swear it's white. It's so messed up.

At least those of us on there who grew up in dysfunctional households recognise them for what they were. And we can heal.

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Dontunderestimateme · 16/04/2020 10:56

Does your sister have DC? I would be worried that she is repeating history if so.

Nevergoingbackthere · 16/04/2020 11:26

No she hasn't. Luckily, as I'd be worried about that too Sad

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