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My sister blames me for childhood abuse

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Nevergoingbackthere · 08/04/2020 14:58

NC for this.

I just had the most horrible conversation with my DS (sister). Online, as we live in different countries. I live in the UK andmy DS still lives in our home country (in Europe), as well as my DF (father) and my mother.

The thing we were disagreeing about was our upbringing. I remember it being abusive, my DS remembers a struggling single mother and me, a dragon of a teenager, who our mother understandably lashed out to. Thus, any ‘abuse’ was my fault, according to my DS.

The first time my mother hit me was when I was 8. She said she wanted to use money I got for Christmas or birthday or something else, can’t quite remember, to buy clothes. I, an 8 year old, exclaimed that she can’t waste the money on that. She then hit me square in the face. I ran crying to my room and my mother followed me and apologised. Fine, I forgave her, it was a slap. But it escalated from there. More and more incidents happened. I would accidentally spill some yoghurt on the floor and she would scream at me and push my nose in it, like a dog. Then when I started crying she mocked me. Another time my sister and I were playing in the bedroom and she told us to be quiet. We then, after she left the room, went on whispering about her behind her back. She then (as she had been listening at the door) came storming back in, and one at a time, beat us with her fists, whilst shouting at us. You get the picture. As I grew up in this environment, I became more and more rebellious and volatile (no drugs, no crime, but shouting back at my mother when she once again lost the plot). Unfortunately as a result I got hit more and more. She would try to strangle me, drag me by my hair across the floor whilst hurling abuse at me, bite me, beat me with her fists etc. The more she did this the more I would talk back and call her names. My DS and I would fight too. We were shown violence was the answer so we acted this out. The fighting among us is another thing my DS solely blames on me btw. When I tell her that it was both of us and she was also violent towards me, she said that it was in defence and because I taught her, claiming herself as the innocent. Conveniently she doesn’t see the parallels (being shown the example) between my mother and us.

It finally stopped when one day, at 16, when my mother ran towards me again, fists clenched, to beat me, and I slapped her in the face and screamed she would never touch me again. That was the first and the last time that I slapped my mother.

A couple of years back I cut my mother out of my life completely and my life has never been better. I still have issues with low confidence etc. But I have had many sessions with a counsellor and I’m getting there. My DS is still in touch with our mother and we never talk about what happened.Until today. She claims I made it all up and that I was the one who was aggressive and the cause of any violence by either my mother or herself. This view is certainly enforced by my mother constantly telling me I was horrible, she wished I had never been born, and blaming me for her violence.

My DS believes that I was a monster as a teenager and that I brought everything on myself. That it was all my fault and my mother and DS were innocent bystanders. That if I wasn’t a ‘bad’ child/teenager nothing would have happened. She goes between this and claiming it didn’t happen full stop. Her proof for this: she was there, therefore she remember it correctly and I do not.

I’m not trying to paint myself as completely innocent, when my DS and I fought it was both our faults, and I yes I would shout abuse at my mother, but by that point I really hated her for what she had been doing to me. But I resent the fact that my DS claims that everything that happened is solely my fault. Whereas I believe that my DS and I were both victims. She’s just dealing with things differently. Thing is, from talking with friends I wasn't even out of the ordinary as a child/teenager but they didn't get hit and called names and I did.

I have tried telling my DS that her interpretation is textbook behaviour from someone who survived/witnessed childhood abuse and that her denial is only her way of trying to protect herself against the truth. Thing is she can cope with what happened how she wishes, but I draw the line at her telling me that the abuse was my fault. I have worked too hard on myself for years, and I will not have someone tell me that abuse is the victim’s fault, in order to protect themself, not even my DS. She refuses to read any articles which explain why siblings may remember abuse differently, or blame the victim. She categorically blames me.

How do we move on from this. We had a good relationship prior to this. But she will not back down from defending our mother in this and I will not accept her putting the blame at my feet.

As sometimes I do wonder whether everything was my fault, I put an AIBU:

AIBU the abuse was my fault/it probably didn’t happen

YANBU the abuse was not my fault, as I was a child, no matter how ‘difficult’

Thank you.

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Nevergoingbackthere · 09/04/2020 05:31

@blackcatsleeping 'Why don't you move on? There is no point in bringing up the past' is exactly what my DS said, right after she told me I was to blame for everything that happened. She said it in a very condescending way too, designed to make me feel stupid and small.

You are to blame for childhood abuse. Move on. Yeah ok then.

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Nevergoingbackthere · 09/04/2020 05:34

I have told my DS that we can have a relationship if she stops trying to blame me. And at least tries to understand why our experiences might be different. At least tries to open up a bit to why that might be.

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Nevergoingbackthere · 09/04/2020 06:04

As some PP suggested yes I do believe that because I was the angrier, more defiant child, it protected her somewhat, as well as helping her narrative that I was to blame. She witnessed plenty of the abuse (and minimises it) but there was also plenty she didn't see. All the times my mother stormed into my room, fists at the ready, and gave me a thorough beating. My DS was in her own room, having fled the heated argument between us. No doubt thinking I was a terrible teenager for shouting at my mother. And the more I was beaten the angrier I got with my mother. I understand my DS's narrative. I just wish she understood mine, rather than point blank dismissing it.

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catfeets · 09/04/2020 06:31

My mother was very similar to how you've described yours.
I took most of the abuse as the older sibling but my brother doesn't dispute what happened. He doesn't remember a lot of it though and certainly doesn't know how many beatings I took for him. He was her favourite and if he did anything wrong that I could have 'prevented', I got his punishment, despite not even being present to know what he'd done.

We've had small discussions over the years about it but the person who absolutely denies any of this happened is our mum. She has accused me of getting together with my brother and making up these stories to make her feel bad and look bad in front of others! Her abuse was once witnessed by her friend when she couldn't control her temper the one time I lashed out in retaliation. Her friend did nothing and pretended it never happened. She's very good at acting happy, jolly and friendly - no one would ever suspect how vicious and nasty she really is.

Well done for breaking contact with your mum, I haven't managed to do that myself. If your sister really can't remember the truth, it may be better to have less contact with her as it will only bring you down.

Landlubber2019 · 09/04/2020 06:56

I was the younger sibling in this scenario ....

The thing is, OP, the violence of you and your mother's interactions will have terrified your sister at the time. I'm not blaming you for that, but you need to recognise that her experience and the things that damaged her, are different from your experience. In some ways you were in control more than she was. And when you got angry with your mum, your sis would have been scared of what would happen.

Exactly this and I have never recovered. I have had to accept my childhood was poor, that I was failed and became a victim to both of them. This may not have been your fault but please leave your sister to manage with her own coping strategies which frankly is built on sand!

SharonasCorona · 09/04/2020 07:57

@saraclara @Landlubber2019 let’s not lose sight of the fact that OP was an child too when it started.

Landlubber2019 · 09/04/2020 08:20

sharonascorona its not black and white and I am not losing sight as to the fact this occurred in childhood.

I was in a no win situation, I did acknowledge the abuse, but sadly that wasn't enough and it's taken a huge amount to maintain a relationship with my family!

mathanxiety · 09/04/2020 08:33

Landlubber, the sister is now an adult and won't accept that a child is never responsible for situations that an adult should have been able to prevent or to control.

Blaming a child for violent, angry incidents in which the mother participated indicates to me that the sister is hopelessly co-dependent on the mother and enmeshed in the relationship to a degree that is very detrimental to her own psychological and emotional health.

I am assuming the mother is aware of all that is going on between the now adult sisters, and also assuming she is doing and saying nothing to try to get to the bottom of it all in a way that will repair the relationships.

Maybe this assumption of mine is incorrect, but I suspect I am right. If I am right, then the mother probably feels she has something to gain from seeing the sisters' dysfunctional relationship.

Rougefox · 09/04/2020 08:48

@SharonasCorona no I don’t. They are all in their 60s and had a really bad childhood and then in to the care system. I really don’t think any of them are lying.

One is my mother and two are aunts. It is really sad.

saraclara · 09/04/2020 09:02

Denial has a purpose. It comes into play when the person simply cannot survive seeing the truth. It's not done to score points or make others feel shit*

That. In fact @rvby's whole post is worth reading and rereading.

OP I understand that you're still angry because this conversation is still so raw. But I'm not seeing you recognising what your sister went through, yet. You're not imagining being the scared onlooker when you and your mum went nuclear on each other. Again, I'm not blaming you for your reaction as a child, but until you recognise that your sisters memories ARE probably accurate from her point of view, and acknowledge that, you can't really expect her to acknowledge your experience.

Ideally you'd be able to say " you know, we both went through some traumatic stuff when we were young. We coped with it in our own ways, and I understand that it must have been scary for you to see me and mum fight as we did. The conversation we had the other day was tough. But I hope we can each try to understand that we were both kids trying to manage a difficult situation. I'd hate us to fall out over this,"

VibrationNation · 09/04/2020 09:36

Ideally you'd be able to say " you know, we both went through some traumatic stuff when we were young. We coped with it in our own ways, and I understand that it must have been scary for you to see me and mum fight as we did. The conversation we had the other day was tough. But I hope we can each try to understand that we were both kids trying to manage a difficult situation. I'd hate us to fall out over this

I think this is very good because it acknowledges both of your truths and allows them to coexist nicely.

I also agree with posters up thread about putting in a formal boundary with your sister about not discussing this again and sticking rigidly to that to protect yourself.

Littlemissdaredevil · 09/04/2020 09:52

My dad was violent and abusive to all of us. My brother blames me for incidents 30+ years ago and has rewritten history as it is easier for him (my brother is also abusive towards me) When ever he brings it up I tell him that it was our parents fault as as we’re both children

SharonasCorona · 09/04/2020 13:29

@Rougefox so sorry to hear that it was was mum and aunts Flowers. Whoever the abuser was must have really scared them too.

SharonasCorona · 09/04/2020 13:30

@Littlemissdaredevil have you thought about cutting your brother out of your life?

Nevergoingbackthere · 11/04/2020 09:37

I know I shouldn't have done it but in a last ditch attempt I showed my sister the definition of childhood abuse, which mentioned several things that our mother did to us on many occasions (mainly me, as the more defiant one). She (begrudgingly) acknowledges that these things happened but persists in saying it wasn't abuse. That our mother's lapses in judgment were understandable considering how 'difficult' I was. Still failing to see that my mother and I were in a horrible abuse/defiance/abuse circle.

My mother has always had a martyr/victim mentality (poor me, she made me do it etc.) and it looks like my DS has completely bought into that narrative, constantly excusing, minimising and normalising her behaviour.

My DS did in the end concede that she believes I felt abused, but not that I was abused. She maintains she is a completely balanced person who is not in denial about what happened.

I think this is as far as we'll get. We still have to meet because we get together with my DF (dad) a few times a year and I don't want to hurt him by pulling out of those meetings. But I will otherwise have to distance myself from her for my own wellbeing.

I know I shouldn't have pushed the issue. But it's kinda hard to be silent when someone tells you: 'stop going on about this, you weren't abused'.

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Summerofloaf · 11/04/2020 09:51

You’re not necessarily going to be able to change your sister. She has to come to an understanding herself like you have. Sounds like you’re accepting that.

You’ve done the work and saved yourself. IMO it’s time to draw a line for yourself and not allow any more negativity in to your life.

It’s ok to end contact with someone if they’re bringing you down or damaging your mental health even if they are family. It’s up to you if you want to explain that to her first.

Thornhill58 · 11/04/2020 10:17

Just remind your sister that you were a child and needed an adult to raise you.
Looks like your mother like most abusers is in denial. I grew up with an abusive father and he'll go to his grave saying that he is not at fault at all.
Your mother was and continues to be abusive and if your sister can't understand that even if you were horrible you were a child. Nobody has the right to beat a child because it's abusive and doesn't achieve the desired effect.
Just accept that you hold the truth and you can heal from this as you accept things for what they were. Your mother was an abuser and wants to be a victim now.
I hope you can have a relationship with your sister but avoid this topic at least until you feel you can deal with it from a strong position. ❤️❤️❤️

Nevergoingbackthere · 11/04/2020 10:34

Thank you Smile

My DS maintains she doesn't feel abused and therefore it wasn't abuse. She isn't alone in this. I read a study where it was shown only a quarter of people who grew up in abusive environments recognise it as abuse. It's not surprising I guess given the number abusers do on their victims. You grow up thinking it's normal.

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Nevergoingbackthere · 11/04/2020 10:39

Big virtual hugs to all of you. Thank you for sharing your stories. Sad as I am to hear how many of you have had a similar upbringing, it is also helpful. We didn't deserve it! Flowers

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Nevergoingbackthere · 11/04/2020 10:58

There was an incident when my sister was 10 or so and my mother was behind her with some laundry (I think). My DS was blocking her path and my mother asked her twice to move aside. My DS didn't hear and then my mother shoved her. She fell over, hit her head and had to be stitched up. My mother told the medics that my DS fell. She has the scar still but maintains it was just an accident. I remember my mother's face when she pushed my DS. It was contorted in anger. This isn't normal is it?? And that wasn't even 'that bad' (a shove compared to all the biting, kicking, punching, slapping in many of the other incidents).

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Thisisworsethananticpated · 11/04/2020 11:03

My dear I can’t say BU not BU and
Merely vote for such a traumatic issue

What I can say is just because your sister has filtered it differently , it doesnt invalidate your trauma

I am so sorry you had this , and your sister experience has added extra pain as she was there

Just be very very kind to yourself OP

I beleive you

CollaborativeBee · 11/04/2020 18:26

I think that iscas good as you are going to get from.your sis.
But your truth is your truth and you dont need your sister to see it.

Landlubber2019 · 11/04/2020 19:33

My DS maintains she doesn't feel abused and therefore it wasn't abuse. She isn't alone in this. I read a study where it was shown only a quarter of people who grew up in abusive environments recognise it as abuse. It's not surprising I guess given the number abusers do on their victims. You grow up thinking it's normal

If your ds doesn't feel she was abused, that's her absolute right and for you to suggest otherwise smacks of gaslighting and is just another form of abuse.

I am in no doubt that you were abused, but unfortunately your sister will have her own demons to contend with, and asking for sympathy may not be something she can offer, she was after all a victim of both yours and your mother's actions and being a child does not absolve you if all responsibility for what occurred. I am sorry this occurred and if you normally enjoy a good relationship, I would accept that you and your sister have different memories.

Quarantina · 11/04/2020 20:03

If your ds doesn't feel she was abused, that's her absolute right and for you to suggest otherwise smacks of gaslighting and is just another form of abuse

I'm not sure the word 'gaslight' means what you think it means. Deliberately injuring a child to the point where they need stitches is abuse. Biting/kicking/punching and slapping anyone, let alone a defenseless child is abusive behaviour. This isn't subjective or up for interpretation.

It's extremely common for abuse victims to deny and downplay the abuse they faced for many reasons. The fact that the sister doesn't feel abused does not magically make the bites/kicks/punches/shoves she received any less abusive. She genuinely may not realise that what she faced was abuse. But it was. Calling obviously abusive behaviour 'abuse' is absolutely not gaslighting or abusive even if the victim is in denial.

In any case, the OP has already accepted that she can't/won't change the sister's mind and has decided that the best course of action is limiting contact for the sake of her own wellbeing. So not only was your comment ridiculous, it was completely unnecessary.

Nevergoingbackthere · 11/04/2020 21:15

Thank you @quarantina

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