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My sister blames me for childhood abuse

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Nevergoingbackthere · 08/04/2020 14:58

NC for this.

I just had the most horrible conversation with my DS (sister). Online, as we live in different countries. I live in the UK andmy DS still lives in our home country (in Europe), as well as my DF (father) and my mother.

The thing we were disagreeing about was our upbringing. I remember it being abusive, my DS remembers a struggling single mother and me, a dragon of a teenager, who our mother understandably lashed out to. Thus, any ‘abuse’ was my fault, according to my DS.

The first time my mother hit me was when I was 8. She said she wanted to use money I got for Christmas or birthday or something else, can’t quite remember, to buy clothes. I, an 8 year old, exclaimed that she can’t waste the money on that. She then hit me square in the face. I ran crying to my room and my mother followed me and apologised. Fine, I forgave her, it was a slap. But it escalated from there. More and more incidents happened. I would accidentally spill some yoghurt on the floor and she would scream at me and push my nose in it, like a dog. Then when I started crying she mocked me. Another time my sister and I were playing in the bedroom and she told us to be quiet. We then, after she left the room, went on whispering about her behind her back. She then (as she had been listening at the door) came storming back in, and one at a time, beat us with her fists, whilst shouting at us. You get the picture. As I grew up in this environment, I became more and more rebellious and volatile (no drugs, no crime, but shouting back at my mother when she once again lost the plot). Unfortunately as a result I got hit more and more. She would try to strangle me, drag me by my hair across the floor whilst hurling abuse at me, bite me, beat me with her fists etc. The more she did this the more I would talk back and call her names. My DS and I would fight too. We were shown violence was the answer so we acted this out. The fighting among us is another thing my DS solely blames on me btw. When I tell her that it was both of us and she was also violent towards me, she said that it was in defence and because I taught her, claiming herself as the innocent. Conveniently she doesn’t see the parallels (being shown the example) between my mother and us.

It finally stopped when one day, at 16, when my mother ran towards me again, fists clenched, to beat me, and I slapped her in the face and screamed she would never touch me again. That was the first and the last time that I slapped my mother.

A couple of years back I cut my mother out of my life completely and my life has never been better. I still have issues with low confidence etc. But I have had many sessions with a counsellor and I’m getting there. My DS is still in touch with our mother and we never talk about what happened.Until today. She claims I made it all up and that I was the one who was aggressive and the cause of any violence by either my mother or herself. This view is certainly enforced by my mother constantly telling me I was horrible, she wished I had never been born, and blaming me for her violence.

My DS believes that I was a monster as a teenager and that I brought everything on myself. That it was all my fault and my mother and DS were innocent bystanders. That if I wasn’t a ‘bad’ child/teenager nothing would have happened. She goes between this and claiming it didn’t happen full stop. Her proof for this: she was there, therefore she remember it correctly and I do not.

I’m not trying to paint myself as completely innocent, when my DS and I fought it was both our faults, and I yes I would shout abuse at my mother, but by that point I really hated her for what she had been doing to me. But I resent the fact that my DS claims that everything that happened is solely my fault. Whereas I believe that my DS and I were both victims. She’s just dealing with things differently. Thing is, from talking with friends I wasn't even out of the ordinary as a child/teenager but they didn't get hit and called names and I did.

I have tried telling my DS that her interpretation is textbook behaviour from someone who survived/witnessed childhood abuse and that her denial is only her way of trying to protect herself against the truth. Thing is she can cope with what happened how she wishes, but I draw the line at her telling me that the abuse was my fault. I have worked too hard on myself for years, and I will not have someone tell me that abuse is the victim’s fault, in order to protect themself, not even my DS. She refuses to read any articles which explain why siblings may remember abuse differently, or blame the victim. She categorically blames me.

How do we move on from this. We had a good relationship prior to this. But she will not back down from defending our mother in this and I will not accept her putting the blame at my feet.

As sometimes I do wonder whether everything was my fault, I put an AIBU:

AIBU the abuse was my fault/it probably didn’t happen

YANBU the abuse was not my fault, as I was a child, no matter how ‘difficult’

Thank you.

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HyacynthBucket · 08/04/2020 16:39

Dysfunctional families often choose a scapegoat to blame for everything. This is something I know all about. If your DS persists in her interpretation, the best or only thing you can do is stop contact to protect yourself. If you have an ongoing relationship with her while these issues are not resolved, it will hurt you and your attempts to get free of your abusive past. I am not suggesting you make a big thing of going nc with her, but I would let the relationship drop away until such time as she understands more and accepts that every one in your family had a part to play in the dysfunction. Then she can approach you, but I would not take the initiative to contact her from now on, and certainly not your mother if she is still alive. What I am suggesting should be done, not in anger, but as self protection.
Please don't put yourself in a position where you have to discuss these issues further with family members, or justify yourself in any way. My best wishes for your future happiness, it sounds as though you are well on the way. Please don't let them spoil it for you.

thefourgp · 08/04/2020 16:40

People hugely underestimate the power of denial. I’ve had to end relationships with family and friends who defended my abusive ex. They will only see things from their perspective because it makes their life easier to believe the abuse didn’t happen. You can speak to a counsellor but I don’t think you’ll ever have a close relationship with your sister because such an awful shared history will always be the elephant in the room.

waytheleaveswork · 08/04/2020 16:43

I suppose you and your sister need to work out if you can respect her feelings that her mother was not abusive towards her, and she can respect your experience that you did have an abusive relationship with your mother. It sounds impossible to me.

Well done for working so hard to heal yourself - if your sister cannot respect your experiences then that is a fundamental issue between the two of you. Really, the nature of your mother's behaviour is irrelevant. I don't think I would want a relationship with a sibling who said such damaging things to me.

Rougefox · 08/04/2020 16:45

Nevergoback I’ll give you an example of false memories from a true situation. I know these women.

Three sisters who were all sexually abused.

Sister A says she was SA by her father. That they all were.

Sister B says they were AB by their foster parent and denies it was their father

Sister C agrees with sister B and denies it was their father.

All three sisters are adamant their truth is the truth.

It’s entirely possible that both men abused them and they have blocked those specific memories out.

Sister B &C don’t talk to sister A anymore because of it.

BrightYellowDaffodil · 08/04/2020 16:53

You know how oysters make pearls? A bit of grit or a parasite gets in their shell and they build up layers around it so that it's not so uncomfortable to live with.

That's what happens when someone witnesses abuse (or, worse, is part of it). They built up layers of protective stories that they tell themselves, and build up the layers over the years, to make the grit easier to live with.

I'm sorry for what happened to you @Nevergoingbackthere, it was not acceptable. You were a child. And I'm sorry your sister is compounding things with her refusal to accept what happened - not that it makes it easier for you but this is currently how she lives with that happened Flowers

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 08/04/2020 16:56

@Nevergoingbackthere - I agree with the poster who said it wouldn’t be a good idea to send this thread to your sister - it would do more harm than good.

However, if I were you, I would write/email her and say something along these lines:

“Dear sister,

Following our conversation, I need to say some things. I accept that we have a different view of our childhoods, but I do not accept that I, a child, was responsible for the abuse dished out to me by our mother.

I was only 8 years old, the first time she hit me (when I wouldn’t give her my birthday/Christmas money to buy clothes), and that was just the first time of many.

More and more incidents happened. I would accidentally spill some yoghurt on the floor and she would scream at me and push my nose in it, like a dog. Then when I started crying she mocked me. Another time my sister and I were playing in the bedroom and she told us to be quiet. We then, after she left the room, went on whispering about her behind her back. She then (as she had been listening at the door) came storming back in, and one at a time, beat us with her fists, whilst shouting at us. You get the picture. As I grew up in this environment, I became more and more rebellious and volatile (no drugs, no crime, but shouting back at my mother when she once again lost the plot). Unfortunately as a result I got hit more and more. She would try to strangle me, drag me by my hair across the floor whilst hurling abuse at me, bite me, beat me with her fists etc.

I do not accept that the abuse was ‘deserved’ - frankly I do not agree that any level of bad behaviour from a child merits actual, physical abuse from a parent.

I accept that what happened to me, changed me and made me rebellious. And it harmed our relationship - we fought, because our mother’s behaviour taught us that violence was the answer. You say that you were innocent in our fights, because it was my behaviour that taught you violence was OK - can you see that it was exactly the same for me - I used violence because the abuse from mum taught me that violence was OK.

I don’t want to fall out with you - I know that you are a compassionate person, who would not say any other child should be told that abuse from a parent was their fault - I just hope that, in time, you will accept that I was as much a victim as you were, and we can heal the relationship between us.

Love,
@Nevergoingbackthere

SharonasCorona · 08/04/2020 16:57

I would go NC. If you want to leave a door open, tell her not to contact you until she is willing to confront the truth of your childhoods.

I say this because this is what I had to do with 2 siblings. Especially my sister, there is such a deep seated hatred there mostly because I'm the youngest that I've realised it's safer to be NC.

SharonasCorona · 08/04/2020 16:58

@Rougefox do you know the truth? That's desperately sad.

LittleDragonGirl · 08/04/2020 16:59

Unfortunately i've seen almost the same situation between DH and his Sibling, where he remembers the abuse he suffered as a child clear as day and his sibling barely remembers anything and certainly dosent consider their parents abusive.

I think it comes down to the frail human mentality of remembering things in a way that causes the lead pain and discomfort. It may be possible that your Dsis is not able to cope with imagining her dm as abusive, specially if she still has contact or requires her support, and therefore chooses to remember what happened in a way that allows her to continue her life as it is, rather then face horrible truths.

Well done for having the strength to leave such a awful childhood and being strong enough to take steps like counselling as that isnt easy Flowers

saraclara · 08/04/2020 17:01

The thing is, OP, the violence of you and your mother's interactions will have terrified your sister at the time. I'm not blaming you for that, but you need to recognise that her experience and the things that damaged her, are different from your experience. In some ways you were in control more than she was. And when you got angry with your mum, your sis would have been scared of what would happen.

Her experience would have been more like my brothers. He was witness rather than victim a lot of the time, hence his feelings of guilt. But for your sister, the power play between you and your mum would have been scary. So of course she remembers your part in it differently from the way you do. She had different fears, and was more helpess than you. Because not only could she not control your mother's reaction, but she couldn't control yours either.

Again, I'm absolutely not blaming you. I'm just asking you to look back at what happened through her eyes, and empathise a little.

And again, DON'T show her this thread! She's a victim too.

DrManhattan · 08/04/2020 17:01

You are in no way to blame for any of this. Well done for making it through. Alot of people dont xxxx

AprilFloundering · 08/04/2020 17:08

Your sister is incredibly wrong.

I would flat out tell her that if she truly believes you are responsible for being abused as a child by someone who was supposed to love and care for her, then you will have to go NC immediately. Because she is batshit crazy and in denial,

Advise her to get counselling on the way out.

Iamamoleinthegarden · 08/04/2020 17:09

Your sister was used as a weapon against you. You just have to let her work it out for herself. Any interference from you will only reinforce her defence mechanism.

Nevergoingbackthere · 08/04/2020 17:17

Thanks all so much. It's hard as she kept saying to me that I was lying, twisting what happened to me/us and that it was all my fault, that I am remembering things wrong and that I keep forgetting she was there. I know she was there. But so was I.

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alliwantisagoodnightssleep · 08/04/2020 17:17

Please could we add a trigger warning to this?

Amymayapple · 08/04/2020 17:19

Hello my mother was also like this, and she also turned her children against each other.

She abused my brother for many years, and she convinced me that it was because he was bad.

Abusers blame their victims.

Heal yourself first

Amymayapple · 08/04/2020 17:21

If some one abuses a person alot, they will tell some one else that it was because this person is bad.

My mother would screan and ahout at my brother, and tell me it was because of how awful he was.

It was only later that I realised she was the abuser, and she took all her anger out on him.

Abusive parents will turn siblings against each other

Runnerduck34 · 08/04/2020 17:25

Yanbu, i am sorry you went through that, it sounds awful, your new user name says it all, be strong.

Frustrating as it is your sister maybe trying to protect herself by remembering differently and justifying your parents behaviour.
Is it also possible so she was favoured and not treated the same as you?
Either way yanbu , it was abuse and none of it it was your fault 💐

AnotherEmma · 08/04/2020 17:30

Goodness, your sister is nasty and you should go no contact or at least very low contact indeed.

I'm sorry you have to deal with her crap on top of everything else you experienced growing up Flowers

Have you ever read "Toxic Parents" by Susan Forward and/or come across the Stately Homes thread?

BrightYellowDaffodil · 08/04/2020 17:34

@alliwantisagoodnightssleep The thread references child abuse in the title?

Queenlish · 08/04/2020 17:34

Please could we add a trigger warning to this?

What for? The thread title sums it up.

Ohyesiam · 08/04/2020 17:34

So so sorry you went through all this op, no blame is yours.

I realise itis not so easy to do, and it’s hell being misunderstood/ wrongly accused, but you can’t convert her to seeing the truth. Her twisted version works for her for some reason ( possibly because it shields her from the pain of knowing how in loving the mothering she received was). You know the truth, you have to rest in that and continue to heal yourself.
Truth sets you free, your sister isn’t ready to give herself that yet.

strawberry2017 · 08/04/2020 17:35

I'm so sorry OP, was there a big age difference between you which could play a part?
I don't think your sister realised how much you were actually protecting her from the abuse.
I think as a child part of the reason you began to change was because you recognised that if the attention was on you then it wasn't on your sister.
You probably didn't even realise it yourself at the time.
You were in no way to blame at all. How she can even think that I don't understand, it's almost like a form of Stockholm syndrome.
She's probably spent years listening to your mums "excuses" and she's probably still desperately seeking the type of love a mother should give that for her it's easier to blame you.
You are amazing and so strong!
Part of me thinks you probably need to reduce contact with her for your own sake.
You have worked too hard to let her ruin it all for you now.
Sending lots of love and strength x

Nevergoingbackthere · 08/04/2020 17:39

She is one year older actually. But definitely went the being quiet route so as not to light the spark. Whereas I immediately became defensive. I had such a strong feeling of the injustice of the situation that I reacted to it very strongly.

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Davespecifico · 08/04/2020 17:40

Poor you. What a horrible early start in life for you.
She may well feel anger that these situations escalated when you as a teenager fought back at your mother BUT that doesn’t mean you were the cause of it.
I don’t think you and your sister will see a resolution to this without a lot of input. It might be easier for you to cut her out too for now. You don’t need to make a drama of it. Just say that you find these conversations difficult and you’d like to withdraw for a bit. It’s too cruel to blame you.