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My sister blames me for childhood abuse

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Nevergoingbackthere · 08/04/2020 14:58

NC for this.

I just had the most horrible conversation with my DS (sister). Online, as we live in different countries. I live in the UK andmy DS still lives in our home country (in Europe), as well as my DF (father) and my mother.

The thing we were disagreeing about was our upbringing. I remember it being abusive, my DS remembers a struggling single mother and me, a dragon of a teenager, who our mother understandably lashed out to. Thus, any ‘abuse’ was my fault, according to my DS.

The first time my mother hit me was when I was 8. She said she wanted to use money I got for Christmas or birthday or something else, can’t quite remember, to buy clothes. I, an 8 year old, exclaimed that she can’t waste the money on that. She then hit me square in the face. I ran crying to my room and my mother followed me and apologised. Fine, I forgave her, it was a slap. But it escalated from there. More and more incidents happened. I would accidentally spill some yoghurt on the floor and she would scream at me and push my nose in it, like a dog. Then when I started crying she mocked me. Another time my sister and I were playing in the bedroom and she told us to be quiet. We then, after she left the room, went on whispering about her behind her back. She then (as she had been listening at the door) came storming back in, and one at a time, beat us with her fists, whilst shouting at us. You get the picture. As I grew up in this environment, I became more and more rebellious and volatile (no drugs, no crime, but shouting back at my mother when she once again lost the plot). Unfortunately as a result I got hit more and more. She would try to strangle me, drag me by my hair across the floor whilst hurling abuse at me, bite me, beat me with her fists etc. The more she did this the more I would talk back and call her names. My DS and I would fight too. We were shown violence was the answer so we acted this out. The fighting among us is another thing my DS solely blames on me btw. When I tell her that it was both of us and she was also violent towards me, she said that it was in defence and because I taught her, claiming herself as the innocent. Conveniently she doesn’t see the parallels (being shown the example) between my mother and us.

It finally stopped when one day, at 16, when my mother ran towards me again, fists clenched, to beat me, and I slapped her in the face and screamed she would never touch me again. That was the first and the last time that I slapped my mother.

A couple of years back I cut my mother out of my life completely and my life has never been better. I still have issues with low confidence etc. But I have had many sessions with a counsellor and I’m getting there. My DS is still in touch with our mother and we never talk about what happened.Until today. She claims I made it all up and that I was the one who was aggressive and the cause of any violence by either my mother or herself. This view is certainly enforced by my mother constantly telling me I was horrible, she wished I had never been born, and blaming me for her violence.

My DS believes that I was a monster as a teenager and that I brought everything on myself. That it was all my fault and my mother and DS were innocent bystanders. That if I wasn’t a ‘bad’ child/teenager nothing would have happened. She goes between this and claiming it didn’t happen full stop. Her proof for this: she was there, therefore she remember it correctly and I do not.

I’m not trying to paint myself as completely innocent, when my DS and I fought it was both our faults, and I yes I would shout abuse at my mother, but by that point I really hated her for what she had been doing to me. But I resent the fact that my DS claims that everything that happened is solely my fault. Whereas I believe that my DS and I were both victims. She’s just dealing with things differently. Thing is, from talking with friends I wasn't even out of the ordinary as a child/teenager but they didn't get hit and called names and I did.

I have tried telling my DS that her interpretation is textbook behaviour from someone who survived/witnessed childhood abuse and that her denial is only her way of trying to protect herself against the truth. Thing is she can cope with what happened how she wishes, but I draw the line at her telling me that the abuse was my fault. I have worked too hard on myself for years, and I will not have someone tell me that abuse is the victim’s fault, in order to protect themself, not even my DS. She refuses to read any articles which explain why siblings may remember abuse differently, or blame the victim. She categorically blames me.

How do we move on from this. We had a good relationship prior to this. But she will not back down from defending our mother in this and I will not accept her putting the blame at my feet.

As sometimes I do wonder whether everything was my fault, I put an AIBU:

AIBU the abuse was my fault/it probably didn’t happen

YANBU the abuse was not my fault, as I was a child, no matter how ‘difficult’

Thank you.

OP posts:
Thelittleweasel · 08/04/2020 15:40

You are in no way whatsoever to blame

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merryhouse · 08/04/2020 15:41

Don't send this thread to your sister.

You've told her where you stand. You've told her you can't accept her assessment of the past and of you. The ball is in her court.

You have obviously done a lot of work trying to understand what went on, including why she's currently behaving as she does. You are way ahead of your sister in this. Maybe she will eventually do the same, maybe she will remain in this particular equilibrium.

You're going to have to prepare yourself for not having this relationship, either for some time or even perhaps for ever. I'm very sorry. Flowers

AmICrazyorWhat2 · 08/04/2020 15:42

An adult hitting an 8 year old child is abuse, end of.

What also stands out to me, OP, is that YOU were the one who stopped the abuse at 16 by telling your mother that you weren't going to take it anymore. I think that says a lot about who was the abuser.

Whatever your sister says (and she's clearly damaged by her experiences, as PP's have said), remember that you're the one who stopped the abuse. You could've used your strength at 16 to "take revenge" on your mother, but you didn't. That makes you a stronger and better person. Flowers.

jadey0891 · 08/04/2020 15:46

Hi OP
I'm really sorry to hear about your story.
I can totally agree with things you have said. My mum was they same towards me and not my other siblings. I got the abuse from her till I one day ages 16 snapped back at slapped my mother as she slapped me so hard in my face.
I left home at 16 as I couldn't take anymore from her.
I moved it with my partner and his parents. The first time I spoke to my mother again was 5 years ago. OuR relationship isn't great but hey ho. I'm not expecting anything from her.Yes I was young and had a boyfriend at 16 but I'm in my 30's now and we are still going strong with 2 children.

My point is siblings will say they don't remember anything or put the blame on someone else. I've been there done and worn the t-shirt.

My advice to you is, just let the convo die down and soon your sister will realise when the time is right. It's the same with my siblings.

I hope things get sorted with you both soon my love x

Queenlish · 08/04/2020 15:46

I went through similar. I have now been NC with my sister for 27 years. She got my email address about 15 years ago. Sent me an email saying she had been in counselling for years because of me, blame, blame, blame.
My life is better without any of them in it. I don't regret being NC with any of them.

saraclara · 08/04/2020 15:54

Don't send this thread to her. She has been damaged too, but the damage has had a different psychological effect on her, than it has on you.
Reading pages of criticism of her from strangers will be devastating for her, and it will not help you at all. Your relationship would be unsalvagable if she sees this.

Talk to your counsellor about this development. You and your sister got on well prior to this conversation about your mother. Don't throw it away on the advice of strangers. Imagine how you would feel if she sent YOU a thread that she'd started on here, where everyone laid into YOU.

It's the worst idea possible. I can't say it strongly enough. DO NOT send her this thread.

SpeedwellBlue · 08/04/2020 15:59

I think it's quite common in dysfunctional families for siblings to fall out about it and for some siblings to be in denial/prefer to brush it under the carpet and want those who are unable to do so to do the same unfortunately. It's like that in my family

AnneOfTeenFables · 08/04/2020 16:05

I grew up in a house with an abusive parent. It is not your fault that your DM hit you.
I was quite confrontational. My sibling was placating. I don't think they're wrong to think if I had been placating, our household would have been less volatile. My response, as a teen, prolonged and escalated situations.
If you've spent time in counselling, I'm sure you're aware of how to set boundaries and remove yourself from aggressive and negative situations, and that you realise the confrontation that you cherished as a sign of defiance as a child, isn't a healthy way to respond to someone who is abusive.
You can't bring your DSIS to your view of the past. And you shouldn't let her views impact on your recovery. You should be able to acknowledge that you used the tools you had to survive, but that they weren't the best. Your DSIS did the same (although she opted for different tools and continues to do so).

saraclara · 08/04/2020 16:05

I walked away from the abuse at aged 18. My brother stayed near my mum and has spent the last 40 years trying to make my mum love him. He's the one who's had to put up with her all this time while I've rarely been involved at all.

We handled it differently. I think he was mad to keep trying to build a relationship. But his needs were different from mine.
Since my mum's stroke, I've tried to support him all I can. And bless him, he's not shown a moment's resentment for me walking away for 30 years before actually helping him. If anything, he has guilt that he didn't stop her hurting me when we were children (though he was four years younger than me - what could he have done?)

Anyway, like I said. You and your sister have absorbed all this in different ways. You need to say that clearly you recall things differently, and draw a line under it. You're not going to convince her by arguing. One day she might look back and see it differently. But it has to be in her own time.

saraclara · 08/04/2020 16:07

You should be able to acknowledge that you used the tools you had to survive, but that they weren't the best. Your DSIS did the same (although she opted for different tools and continues to do so).

@AnneOfTeenFables made my point more succinctly.

Faith50 · 08/04/2020 16:15

I could have written this thread. It is heartbreaking that abusive behaviour can be normalised. Sad My sibling has a much different version of our childhood than I do.

I was slapped from the age of two/three- I recall it was always, always done in anger. I admit my siblings and I were naughty but hitting and slapping children is wrong and abusive. A child is helpless and vulnerable so an adult can easily vent their anger, resentment and unhappiness onto them.

I actually grew up believing I deserved to be beaten.

My dh and I do not hit my dc - we made that choice from the very beginning. I know if I was to hit them at the height of anger I would do so with full force (which my mum did with me). This scares the life out of me. Instead we sit them down and share our disappointment and take away treats.

Counselling may help you and siblings. I certainly needed it! Flowers

sadie9 · 08/04/2020 16:16

OK. What happened, happened as part of a family dynamic. Therefore people's actions at the time and how they respond and remember things, are in the context of the wider family.
Is your sister younger or older? I suspect she is younger.
Where was your Father when all this was going on? How do you both feel about him?
I suspect your sister needs to idealise your mother in order to remain in the family home. Your sister, currently, is painting you as the bad guy because her defenses cannot allow her to paint your mother as being the bad guy. Or possibly to save your Father from her anger.
Did your Father stand by and do nothing. Also your sister stood by and did 'nothing' and let you take your Mother's anger. This is likely causing her considerable shame and therefore she needs to find a scapegoat. I figure she hasn't done much /any counselling herself.
You were the bait that created a diversion that drew your angry 'Monster' mother away from your sister.
However, your sister was traumatised by witnessing how your mother treated you, but she has to normalise this because she 'needs' your mother to love her. She couldn't leave your mother because she didn't have enough resources.
She has buried her anger against your mother because being shunned or abandoned by her is something she couldn't tolerate.
It's not fair, it really isn't.
Your sister is looking at the past through a filter of her own experiences. Both of you were damaged. But your sister hasn't got there yet in terms of admitting to herself the pain of her childhood.
It's a big ask but try not to take it personally with your sister. Try to keep the channels of communication open.

Ubumuntu · 08/04/2020 16:20

Obviously no child should have to experience abuse, or be blamed for it. And equally no child should have to witness domestic violence, it’s a hugely frightening thing too.

I think, as others have said, your sister is using strategies to survive and manage the fear she has probably grown up with. As she still lives in the same country as her mum and has contact with her, she is probably still stuck in the trauma whereas you have escaped. For her then, it is dangerous to risk angering your mum by telling the truth about who is to blame. She has seen what happens to other daughters in the family who make mum angry. Blaming you means that she can persuade herself that she is safe from mums violence, because then it’s not that mum hurts all children, just one - the one who causes her to anger. This might well be the one defence that stops her from falling apart.

I’m sorry that this has happened to you and I’m sorry that your sister’s coping strategies are causing you additional pain. I hope you can both find peace.

lilmishap · 08/04/2020 16:23

This touches a few nerves with me.
Abuse causes onlookers to lie to themselves about what they saw and victims to normalise their abuse by finding a reason it happened, usually they will settle for "it was my/my siblings fault" and "It wasn't that bad"

My mum was an absolute cunt but my sis thinks it was our own fault we kept being taken into care, if we didn't want to get hurt we would have behaved etc, despite mum dying 20 years ago and despite there being four of us disagreeing with her, she still talks about mum as some poor helpless victim of circumstance dealing with four horrific children. My mum put my sister in hospital by hitting her repeatedly with an object but she now claims (with a straight face) that it was an accident and she got in the way.

It is really hard to listen to, it hurts to hear that she blames us for every shit thing that happened and I think I want her to show sympathy? solidarity? but she won't and it feels like a rejection.
Sometimes I think I might even be jealous that she can still love her memories of our mum thanks to her denial.

Mums who are abusive will abuse their kids and abuse causes lots of lies and it fucks everyone up
It really is as simple as that.

Amotherof6 · 08/04/2020 16:25

Wow having read that it almost mirrors what I experienced. I didn't have a younger sister but brothers.
Very similar in other aspects and ending when I also hit her back - around the age of 13 or so.
I feel for you.

Your sister had a completely different experience to you. She may be denying because it might be harder for her to face the truth, or, being younger may really not have understood what you went through. Or as an adult doesn't want to believe that she grew up with an abusive, cruel mother.

In any event, what you experienced was awful and no child should go through that. You made it through. It WASN'T YOUR FAULT. Do not blame yourself.

Sending you a huge hug for sharing this. I could have written a similar account. We can make it through the other side.

nellythenarwhal · 08/04/2020 16:28

I understand why she's being in a textbook manner. You are not going to convince her that she's wrong and she's not going to convince you that she's right. The only way to preserve your relationship with her is to agree to never discuss this topic.

I'm in a similar situation with my sister. My mum has moved in with her and bizarrely my sister has forgotten our mum's extreme rages and physical abuse that she inflicted on both of us. Our brothers know the truth but are also head in sand as they were not targets of her (except younger brother who is the youngest child and has lots of stories of her batshit behavior)

saraclara · 08/04/2020 16:30

I agree with you @lilmishap but I don't think lie is the right word. These responses aren't as conscious as that. Our minds go into self-protection mode subconsciously. If we use lie, we're in turn, blaming the person who might blame us.
If we're going to forgive ourselves our responses to abuse, we need to forgive our siblings theirs, too.

Mums who are abusive will abuse their kids and abuse causes lots of lies and it fucks everyone up
It really is as simple as that.

Yup. The siblings who can come together and recognise that, are the ones who can sew the seeds of a functional family relationship in the future. I hope OP and her sis can do that.

Dozer · 08/04/2020 16:30

Sadly, among the negative impacts of abuse is damage to sibling relationships.

SybilWrites · 08/04/2020 16:30

Oh dear. Not quite the same because we weren't physically abused, but my sister blames me too - thinks that I excluded her - when the reality is that my mother abused us all, and pitted us against each other. more recently she has blamed me for the treatment that I have received from my mother. I had to stop talking to her in order to move on.

OP, it wasn't your fault. Your sister will have different recollections and different ways of coping with your childhood. Ultimately you have to put yourself first and do what is best for you to move on.

AnnaFiveTowns · 08/04/2020 16:30

Of course YANBU. You were abused. Have you seen the Stately Homes thread in relationships on here? It might be worth going on there to find lots of people who understand exactly what you've been through.

OuterMongolia · 08/04/2020 16:31

It was not your fault OP. But it wasn't your sister's fault either. She is also a product of her childhood and her method of coping is a common response to abuse.

lilmishap · 08/04/2020 16:34

I'm years ahead of the revelation you've only just had.
My sibling will ocasionally change her mind and decide the rest of us are right and mum was a cunt...then she'll change it back
Things used to get really vicious if I tried to push my narrative or disprove hers. Please be very careful of that, it has destroyed our relationship a few times and another sibling no longer has any contact with her as a result of things that were said.

MontysOarlock · 08/04/2020 16:35

People see things from different view points, this does not excuse what your Mother did to you.

My friend had a very violent relationship with her older sister, the parents went out every Saturday night to the pub and left them alone together. The older one would start hitting my friend, left marks and welts on her. She was so mad at her sister for terrorising her. I told her the adults, her Mum and Dad knew what was happening every time they went out and still left you. Yes, your sister is awful but your parents knowingly left you in danger. It was the first time she had considered her parents' role in all of this.

It may take time for your sister to see things from your point of view.

Rougefox · 08/04/2020 16:36

Nevergoback this is actually really common. A younger sibling often can have very different memories, they would have seen it from different angles and would have been retold the same story but a different version.

You can’t change some one else’s memories (false or not)

You know your truth.

If you want to stay in contact - avoid the topic

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SpeedwellBlue · 08/04/2020 16:37

a struggling single mother and me, a dragon of a teenager, who our mother understandably lashed out to. Thus, any ‘abuse’ was my fault, according to my DS
So she thinks if a woman is beaten up by her husband it's her fault because she should have been better at placating him? Nope. A child is in an even more vulnerable situation as they even less chance of escape than an adult does.