Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

My sister blames me for childhood abuse

162 replies

Nevergoingbackthere · 08/04/2020 14:58

NC for this.

I just had the most horrible conversation with my DS (sister). Online, as we live in different countries. I live in the UK andmy DS still lives in our home country (in Europe), as well as my DF (father) and my mother.

The thing we were disagreeing about was our upbringing. I remember it being abusive, my DS remembers a struggling single mother and me, a dragon of a teenager, who our mother understandably lashed out to. Thus, any ‘abuse’ was my fault, according to my DS.

The first time my mother hit me was when I was 8. She said she wanted to use money I got for Christmas or birthday or something else, can’t quite remember, to buy clothes. I, an 8 year old, exclaimed that she can’t waste the money on that. She then hit me square in the face. I ran crying to my room and my mother followed me and apologised. Fine, I forgave her, it was a slap. But it escalated from there. More and more incidents happened. I would accidentally spill some yoghurt on the floor and she would scream at me and push my nose in it, like a dog. Then when I started crying she mocked me. Another time my sister and I were playing in the bedroom and she told us to be quiet. We then, after she left the room, went on whispering about her behind her back. She then (as she had been listening at the door) came storming back in, and one at a time, beat us with her fists, whilst shouting at us. You get the picture. As I grew up in this environment, I became more and more rebellious and volatile (no drugs, no crime, but shouting back at my mother when she once again lost the plot). Unfortunately as a result I got hit more and more. She would try to strangle me, drag me by my hair across the floor whilst hurling abuse at me, bite me, beat me with her fists etc. The more she did this the more I would talk back and call her names. My DS and I would fight too. We were shown violence was the answer so we acted this out. The fighting among us is another thing my DS solely blames on me btw. When I tell her that it was both of us and she was also violent towards me, she said that it was in defence and because I taught her, claiming herself as the innocent. Conveniently she doesn’t see the parallels (being shown the example) between my mother and us.

It finally stopped when one day, at 16, when my mother ran towards me again, fists clenched, to beat me, and I slapped her in the face and screamed she would never touch me again. That was the first and the last time that I slapped my mother.

A couple of years back I cut my mother out of my life completely and my life has never been better. I still have issues with low confidence etc. But I have had many sessions with a counsellor and I’m getting there. My DS is still in touch with our mother and we never talk about what happened.Until today. She claims I made it all up and that I was the one who was aggressive and the cause of any violence by either my mother or herself. This view is certainly enforced by my mother constantly telling me I was horrible, she wished I had never been born, and blaming me for her violence.

My DS believes that I was a monster as a teenager and that I brought everything on myself. That it was all my fault and my mother and DS were innocent bystanders. That if I wasn’t a ‘bad’ child/teenager nothing would have happened. She goes between this and claiming it didn’t happen full stop. Her proof for this: she was there, therefore she remember it correctly and I do not.

I’m not trying to paint myself as completely innocent, when my DS and I fought it was both our faults, and I yes I would shout abuse at my mother, but by that point I really hated her for what she had been doing to me. But I resent the fact that my DS claims that everything that happened is solely my fault. Whereas I believe that my DS and I were both victims. She’s just dealing with things differently. Thing is, from talking with friends I wasn't even out of the ordinary as a child/teenager but they didn't get hit and called names and I did.

I have tried telling my DS that her interpretation is textbook behaviour from someone who survived/witnessed childhood abuse and that her denial is only her way of trying to protect herself against the truth. Thing is she can cope with what happened how she wishes, but I draw the line at her telling me that the abuse was my fault. I have worked too hard on myself for years, and I will not have someone tell me that abuse is the victim’s fault, in order to protect themself, not even my DS. She refuses to read any articles which explain why siblings may remember abuse differently, or blame the victim. She categorically blames me.

How do we move on from this. We had a good relationship prior to this. But she will not back down from defending our mother in this and I will not accept her putting the blame at my feet.

As sometimes I do wonder whether everything was my fault, I put an AIBU:

AIBU the abuse was my fault/it probably didn’t happen

YANBU the abuse was not my fault, as I was a child, no matter how ‘difficult’

Thank you.

OP posts:
Davespecifico · 08/04/2020 17:41

Get this thread moved to relationships.

Amymayapple · 08/04/2020 17:43

@Nevergoingbackthere Try to heal from your mother. I am still trying to heal from mine.

Read about "the mother wound".

It says the reason why some of these women are so absolutely out of control, is because they pass the pain down in a line, from woman to woman.

In a patriarchal society women get hurt/ raped - loads of injustices.

By the time that they have children - they are in no way mentally able to take care of them, and take out their anger on their kids.

I still have daily panic attacks from what my mother did to me. And I still think of myself as a bad person who deserves nothing.

I send you a hug - it is important to talk to other women who have been through the same thing. And know that it was not iur fault in any way

slipperywhensparticus · 08/04/2020 17:50

My family still blame me they always make me the family problem (im 45) even to the degree of excusing my eldest sisters shitty behaviour recently my dad was terrified I would "argue" with my sister because I said I was disappointed she didnt even ask if he had been hospitalized or not he was the abusive one with his fists she copied him but I'm the demon for my intolerant black and white interpretation of the behaviour (I'm actually one of the most flexible and fluid people I know but there opinion of me is fixed because as a child I objected very vocally to being abused) I'm seriously 5 steps from fucking leaving them all to rot

CollaborativeBee · 08/04/2020 17:51

This is very common I think. No consolation. Brew YOu have all of my sympathy.

My bother thinks we had a great childhood. And that our parents were great. Well the whole family revolved around him and my parents allowed it and any need I had, any feeling, any emotion was an inconvenience to be silenced. It did make me very angry when I first realised how great my brother's childhood was. I have had a little bit of acceptance and a bit less anger and upset over the last ten or so years. I hope that over time, with help, you also accept it. It feels the worst when you first dig it up and confront it. x

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 08/04/2020 17:52

My father had me believing his abuse of me was my fault, too. This abuse started when I was just four (my earliest remembered incident) and very likely before that. It left me with cPTSD, which remained undiagnosed for the best part of four decades. I'm quite sure that for some time he had other members of my family believing I was just a little shit who needed disciplining, and I accepted his version of myself as fact until I was well into my thirties.

You know, it's odd. There's another thread on Mumsnet just today about how people know when something is 'off' with someone. I never had this 'gut feeling' until my therapy, and it feels very strange and liberating now to be in possession of an instinct others spoke of but that I had never experienced. It now makes sense, because as an abused child you can't live in that state of heightened alert the whole time, so something in your mind switches it off.

It's in no way your fault, OP. And despite your sister's lack of empathy I don't think it's her fault either. Conditioning like this is really hard to reverse.

Sending you lots of positive thoughts and empathy, if you'd like them. Flowers

PlanDeRaccordement · 08/04/2020 17:56

You did not deserve your mothers abuse of you. Your sister is absolutely wrong there. Your mother was the older and stronger and so her physical attacks were abuse.

However, it seems that your sister views the fights the two of you had very differently from you. You feel they were both your faults, but she feels you were attacking her and she defending herself. She literally sees herself as your victim. You need to dig into why does she remember things that way? How did those fights happen and which of you escalated things to violence first/usually?

Since you were your mothers primary victim, her experience of your mother could be very different. It often is between abused sibling versus a favourite sibling. It would explain her (wrong) impression that you somehow “deserved” the violence your mother inflicted as you were simply being “punished” by your mother.

I think your sister needs to understand that what your mother did to you was well beyond any sane punishment and was abuse. Then look critically at the relationship between you and your sister. Does she have a point in viewing herself as your victim? Go through your memories and listen to her version of events regarding these fights you two had. Did your mothers violence teach you and then make you more violent towards her?

If you think your sister has no leg to stand on and the fights couldn’t be considered abuse of her by you by any impartial witness, then your sister is unhinged. But at least give it some thought.

AprilFloundering · 08/04/2020 17:59

"Mum started hitting me when I was 8, and it escalated from there. Your blaming me for being physically abused by a grown up is as absurd and batshit as me expecting my older sister to have protected me from it. ... Oh wait. You were 9 when it started. So obviously, that would be crazy."

"Stop blaming me for our mother's violence. it's entirely on her. not you. not me. Her. get counselling."

VibrationNation · 08/04/2020 18:07

One persons denial can actually culminate in abusive behaviour towards another person very easily. Actually often defense mechanisms can become abusive towards other people. Minimisation of abuse, dismissing those who have experienced abusive behaviour, scapegoating another person so you don’t have to face up to finding yourself complicit in an abuser’s reign of destruction. They are actually experienced as a further abusive and traumatic experience by the person facing the defense mechanisms even if you can understand what has led to the person behaving in the way. It is still incredibly hard to deal with and a no win situation. I totally agree with the poster up thread who said these conversations cannot happen between you and your sister so you do not open yourself up to further abusive experiences at her hands.

While her behaviour is really common, it is extremely hard to deal with and it makes you question the experiences that you so struggled to understand in the first place. Don’t leave yourself open to, it unless you are in a place to handle that second level of abuse, no matter what the cost to your relationship with your sister.

Namechangeyay · 08/04/2020 18:09

Shit pressed YABU by accident. Count another one towards YANBU

Mummyoflittledragon · 08/04/2020 18:11

I totally understand how it feels to be a sibling of an abuse denier. I was the good, compliant one. Hid in my bedroom as a child / preteen.

As a teen I became the scapegoat. I couldn’t hold it any longer and became very angry. Like you. I’m a feisty person. My brother abused me in several ways including some red traffic light sexual stuff. Not touching thank goodness. What she knew was ignored by my mother. I have since told her the rest. She hears the words, but doesn’t process what I say.

I am nc with my brother as he is physically dangerous to me and she scoffs at this. I am disabled btw so it’s very scary. Their running narrative is they are wonderful, I am shit. Golden child / scapegoat.

My sincere advice. Please, please stop trying to get your sister or mother to admit the abuse. It isn’t going to happen. I’ve been through so much trying to be heard and it’s hurt, really really hurt. If your sibling doesn’t want to see it, she won’t. According to my brother, the violence against him, even though he was a young primary school child, was totally justified and fine and maintains it’s ok even today to hit kids. He dealt with it by abusing and bullying me....

Therapy helped me a lot. It took a few years with a really good one. Flowers

And please don’t show your sister this thread. She will use it as a stick to beat you with. I don’t think it will shake her to the core because she isn’t in a place be able to process it. She’ll more likely do what my mother did.

I still have those feelings, where I dream they’ll suddenly love and cherish me. But these are fleeting moments and rare thanks to the therapy.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 08/04/2020 18:14

@Namechangeyay - I think that you can change your vote by clicking on YANBU.

Astressie · 08/04/2020 18:23

I haven't read all the thread, so maybe someone has said similar. Something along the lines of abuse happened to me too. My mother can't see it and never will. It related to her not protecting me against an abusive step-father. The thing is I knew she never would accept her responsibility in this. I left home at a young age and spent a few years not talking to her and coming to terms with it. Trying to move forward is really difficult when the other party, your sister, will not accept your view. My mother never did. I still love her and we have a good relationship now. I have had to swallow the past. However, my sister will never accept my attitude and due to this we will never have a good relationship.

Namechange828477484 · 08/04/2020 18:26

Me and my siblings were also subjected to childhood abuse just like how you are describing. My sister was also headstrong and clashed with our “mother” and it was easy to blame her for what was apparently her “bad mood” that ended up lasting another 20+ years after sis exited the toxic situation. Like your sis, I would make excuses for all of my teen years especially if and when her mood lifted. I would say, Look, she’d be normal if we just did xyz. After years of egg shell walking, and years of wondering what the magic formula of behaviour is to make the good days a normal day...... I have come to realise is that there is never ANY justification for hitting a child. Not ever. I’m so sorry OP this happened to you..... Your sister has chosen to try to salvage her relationship with her abuser - maybe out of a sense of guilt or duty, or maybe because she is now treated better in your mums eyes as a “golden child”. Internally she must believe her lies to be able to continue to do so..... My only a advice is to try to be there for her when the fog lifts 🌸

NeneValley · 08/04/2020 18:31

It’s just denial.
Your sister will never be able to deal with the truth, but once your Mum passes on, you may find your sister can let go of the guilt and repair things with you.
My Mum is very similar to your’s.
My brother used to step in and physically shield me from our mum when she came at me.
My middle sister used to ignore whatever violence was happening.
Baby sister was thankfully too young to know what was going on.

As adults they all deny the childhood violence that I experienced. Middle sis will say I made it up, brother has already accused me of ‘murdering’ our mum if she has a heart attack over the stress of me going NC with her. (Dear Mum had 2 affairs during her wonderful marriage. My sibs don’t know this, and I won’t ever tell them, but as well as her violence she really is a most despicable human).

As adults we are 4 dysfunctional people.
I’ve lived through a violent relationship that almost killed me, and my middle sister has managed to exile me from most of the family thanks to her online hate campaigns against me and her boyfriend’s ex.
Brother has previous form for and is currently having an affair (small towns, everyone knows everyone).
Baby sis is still lovely but she’s also been through a violent relationship.
Middle sister is currently living with a man who statutory-raped a 13 year old in his mid 30s, and the pair of them do voluntary ‘charity’ work around vulnerable people... Yet she’s been arrested for domestic violence and theft in her past. Narcissists are expert at hiding in plain sight though Hmm.

None of what happened to you is your fault. I wish I’d smacked my mother back but I was a timid mouse then and still am. So I left home at 18 instead and never again returned back to where my family lived. Until mum ‘rescued’ me from my violent partner one day. Then it was out of the frying pan into the fire.

I cannot wait for the day my mum dies, and my middle sister too. The pair of them are violent, despicable women. The best I can do until then is keep myself and my kids away from their elaborately dishonest lives.

Sorry to hijack. It hit a nerve.
Nothing you did is your fault

rvby · 08/04/2020 18:44

It's hard OP. I have similar experiences with my DSis. I'm really sorry. YANBU, it wasn't your fault.

I do think you might want to think about changing your tactics here. I assume that your goal is that you want your DSis to believe you, side with you, tell you she understands you and agrees with you? If so... think more carefully about what you are doing...

Your DSis is allowed to think whatever she likes, and you aren't in charge of her experience or thoughts. I would really warn against sending her this thread, or trying to argue with her about what she should remember, how she should see your shared childhood. You are not going to help yourself, or her.

I can promise you that telling someone they are in denial is literally the best way to make sure they stay in denial.

Denial has a purpose. It comes into play when the person simply cannot survive seeing the truth. It's not done to score points or make others feel shit - it's not something that is really there for you to fight against or argue with. It's her way of coping unfortunately.

If you want her to one day be on your side, the only hope you have really is to let her be, let her have her memories.

It's very likely she will never come out of denial, but there is a chance she will, and you can increase that chance by giving her space to just survive and have her own memories.

So let her be. Focus on you. Focus on your own recovery. Practice being calm in the face of her not being onside with you. Slowly, slowly, over decades, she might come around.

Life is long, if we're lucky. She may yet surprise you. But if you fight her on this, you're only going to deepen and prolong the agony x

Nevergoingbackthere · 08/04/2020 18:51

You are all wonderful and I appreciate ever single post. I will look into the resources that have been suggested by several OP. It's funny how common blame and denial is isn't it. As if the abuse itself wasnt bad enough, we have to be blamed for it too.

Yes I believe I may have instigated more of the fights with my DS, I remember a general feeling of injustice and feeling utterly powerless. My mother was hurting me emotionally and physically and my DS was blaming me for it. I remember feeling so trapped. And I didn't realise it wasn't normal until years later I spoke with friends and realised that their parents weren't like that. And that my behaviour (talking back, screaming, breaking things whenever my mother yet again verbally and physically abused me was a) a result of how I was brought up and b) didn't mean I deserved to be hit. It was a vicious circle though. My behaviour gave my mother ammunition to keep hurting me and my DS saw that and blamed me.

Big big hug to everyone else who has been through similar, I have read every single one of your stories and I feel for you so much.

OP posts:
Amymayapple · 08/04/2020 18:58

I think that this lockdown is giving us all a great time to heal. That is why these memories are coming up.

Every day of this lock down i have been working on healing my mother's abuse of me. I wanted to let go of the feeling of fear.

You can heal. And you deserve to heal. Read some resources.

CSIblonde · 09/04/2020 02:23

Denial and normalising it is really common. If she still has a relationship with your mother and its probably why. Facing ugly truths would mean confrontation & your mother will deny, gaslight, cut her off, emotionally blackmail her etc etc.

BlackCatSleeping · 09/04/2020 02:53

I also agree that you shouldn’t send her this thread. I wonder why it matters so much to you that she agrees with you. You have your truth and she has hers. Can you not just accept that and move on from it? I wonder why you even discuss this with her. Is it not time to draw a line under things and move on with your life?

Quarantina · 09/04/2020 03:27

I wonder why it matters so much to you that she agrees with you. You have your truth and she has hers. Can you not just accept that and move on from it?

You genuinely don't see why someone would struggle to accept being blamed for the abuse they faced as a child? Are you trying to be provocative or do you generally have trouble empathising with others?

BlackCatSleeping · 09/04/2020 03:30

No, but you can’t force people to agree with your point of view. It’s futile. Sometimes all you can do is let it go. I also suffered very bad abuse as a child. I know my truth. It doesn’t matter to me what others think.

Quarantina · 09/04/2020 03:54

Well no, 'letting it go' isn't the only option. It may have worked for you but as you can see from the personal experiences of people on this very thread it's not the only possible course of action. She may be able to just 'let it go' and never bring it up again or she could find that actually, it'd be best to go no/low contact with the sister.

The conversation with the sister took place just yesterday. This is the first time they've ever discussed it. There is nothing at all unusual or unreasonable about the way the OP has chosen to deal with this revelation and 'get over it, move on with your life' is frankly ridiculous and unhelpful advice as this stage.

FredaFrogspawn · 09/04/2020 04:04

My sister was the angry, awkward one. I was frightened of her as a child. But it is so clear her pathway forging through dysfunctional parents cleared a slipstream through which my journey was not anything like as tough.

She was the angry one. She was the one who was deemed difficult - but it allowed me to have a rosier childhood.

I wonder if that was the case for you and your sister. Labelling you the bad one allows her to hide any guilt she feels about your frontline battle leaving a relatively safer pathway for her.

I’m so glad you know this wasn’t your fault.

CakeHoleinRoof · 09/04/2020 04:32

I think you need to cut her out. You shouldn't need to equip for this, and i think if your sister is ever going to reslise the truth, it willl be quicker if you do this.

mathanxiety · 09/04/2020 04:34

She is casting around for a coherent narrative to explain the horror that she lived through.

For some reason - perhaps she was (even slightly) favoured, or perhaps she somehow needs your mother's approval or love more than you do - the narrative of a trouble maker who ruined everything for her and for your mother has an appeal for her.

Ultimately it leaves her trapped though. She can never come to terms with what happened as long as she keeps on denying it. She cannot grow unless she manages to accept the truth. Your mother's abuse did a number on her too, but I suspect you were the one with a little more resilience, and you got out and made a life for yourself while she cannot do that.

I think you need to walk away from her for now, more in sadness than in anger.

It's possible that when your mother finally dies your sister will go through a crisis, and you can't anticipate what results will come from that. Maybe a salvaged relationship based on acknowledgement of the truth, maybe a salvaged relationship based on acknowledgement of each other's truths and a desire to move on without rancour. Maybe silence forever.

But create as much positivity and harmony in your life where you are now in any case. Bloom where you have planted yourself.