Would it be unreasonable of me not to 'clap for Boris' tonight?

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I've just seen this in my FB page.
A local group has shared it.
'Clap for Boris' (see pic) Tonight 8pm.
Human to human, I wish him well & a full recovery but I won't be clapping...

@CatherineOfAragonsPomegranate

Kayla Williams would have been admitted to hospital under normal circumstances.

The NHS is being overwhelmed because the UK decided to encourage infection rather than social distancing when the first cases came to light.

Look at the growth in case in the UK compared to countries like Austria where there was a rapid lockdown.

Then look at the death rates. Because demand doesn't exceed ICU beds, nobody is left at home who is seriously ill.

That's how I figure this.

Maybe don't believe everything you read in the red tops.

Who says I get my information from the red tops? I wouldn't insult you by suggesting all your narrow amount of information comes from the Daily Mail. As I've said before, people like yourself are not the only ones with friends and family working for the NHS/frontline.

No I'm not clapping for Boris. Are we clapping for every poor sod who gets it? What makes him more special.

Several people have said 'keep politics out of it'.

That isn't possible. He is being singled out for special recognition because he's the PM. A politician.

What are we supposed to be clapping for? The man or the work he has/has not done?

If you leave politics out of it you have an ordinary person the same as every one of the 1000s of ordinary people fighting this disease.

Are they getting a clap tonight too?

Having opinions on how well or how badly a public servant has done his job is not “putting the boot in” or “being vile.” He’s the prime minister, not a random member of the public; his work record is and should be a valid topic of debate. That’s the definition of democracy.

The idea that a politician is immune to criticism just because he’s ill, chills me.

And no one has been critical of any aspect that could be considered personal (which is pretty restrained given certain things in his personal life), all the negative comments have been about his actual policy making.

they’re still taking the opportunity to put the boot in on a personal level.

Hes not a nice person. He's treated other human beings appallingly. Those facts don't change because he's ill. You can hope someone recovers and still not think well of them.

I also won’t be clapping. I don’t clap for the NHS either. I think we should be doing something more useful to say thank you. Everyone donate something to the hospital (in an organised manner) or something similar. Clapping makes us all feel like we have done something whereas we have actually done nothing particularly useful.
I will be using the Amazon wish list for my local hospital’s childrens’ ward to say thank you in a longer lasting practical way.

I hope he survives this, I hope it helps him recognise the absolute devastating effects of the Tories 10 years systematically destroying the NHS and I hope everyone with Covid 19 gets the same treatment and cheers as Boris.

I don't like his politics, his morals or his beliefs. Doesn't mean I wish him any harm.

It’s sad that he’s not well, but being unwell doesn’t automatically ameliorate all the terrible, dishonest, self-serving, destructive things he’s done to this country and our people

Quite. Like calling the ventilator procurement scheme "The Last Gasp"

Well quite P1nk all the people at pains to point out they think he's a terrible politician ,I mean fine but the man is dangerously ill there's no need for the comments right now it's just vile

Only the PM is allowed to make tastless comment whilst people are dangerously ill then? He had a chance to refute the comments and didn't.

Your semi regular reminder that if the best thing you can say about someone is that at least it’s not Corbyn then you are fully aware that he is a shite prime minister.

Because demand doesn't exceed ICU beds, nobody is left at home who is seriously ill.

Really? My aunt’s local MP is launching a campaign because so many elderly people in her ward have been refused hospital beds. Five elderly people died from just one care home.

The hospital that used to be my local hospital announced a critical incident and is running very low on oxygen.

He is an awful person and has handled this situation poorly. I wish him a speedy recovery and I hope that when all this is over he is held accountable and has to answer for the mistakes that have been made.

Just no. I am sick of all this clapping and don't even get me started on the godawful noise caused by the pan banging!! The NHS don't need clapping, they need decent PPE and more staff and I have several friends and family members in the NHS who think the clapping is patronising. Did anyone actually hear anyone doing the ludicrous clapping for the kids the other night?

The very best thing anyone can do for the NHS, for Boris, for the kids is to stay at home.

@SwerfandTurf
What country are you in?

Nope. why I don't wish him ill, he is the reason a lot of people are dead or dying. He waited too long ... AND MADE A SHOW OUT OF SHAKING PEOPLE'S HANDS, EVEN THOSE THAT WERE ALREADY SICK.

Absolute muppet. And put his own family's lives in danger, too, to make some asinine political point. Muppet.

I hope he gets better but I won’t be clapping. I’ve had the order on our local Facebook page, a nurse dared to make a comment about lack of PPE at our local hospital, OP said “it’s not political and I am ignoring the negativity” but was happy to lol at the #fucklabour comments. Twats.

He's not a fucking pixie, clapping won't make him better

The best quote across ALL the threads

No I won’t be. On a personal level of course I hope he makes a full recovery but I’m betting “Operation Last Gasp” doesn’t seem quite such a funny little joke now he’s suffering.

Whatever you think of him, he won by a landslide so the majority of decent working people support him. He is seriously ill at the moment so if you can't say anything nice then just don't say anything at all. It terrifies me that people can be so vile.

Several people have said 'keep politics out of it'.

That isn't possible. He is being singled out for special recognition because he's the PM. A politician.

What are we supposed to be clapping for? The man or the work he has/has not done?

If you leave politics out of it you have an ordinary person the same as every one of the 1000s of ordinary people fighting this disease.

Are they getting a clap tonight too?

100 fucking percent, and the people moralising about this thread need to read your post until they understand it. If you're not clapping for him because of his politics and the office he holds, why exactly is he more worthy of a clap than any of the others in ICU at the moment, plenty of whom are in an even worse state.

Johnson is a politician. He has been part of administrations that have made decisions to reduce NHS funding in real terms. He has voted for them, and when part of the Cabinet has responsibility under the collective responsibility principle that's part of our constitution. Our NHS is now in a worse shape than it needed to be, because of these decisions.

Saying that we shouldn't consider the political record of a politician is itself a political stance. Complaining about other people doing that is politicising the issue, whilst pretending not to be doing so.

No I'm a widowed mum and i'd hardly clap someone who called the children of single mothers "ill raised, ignorant and aggressive" Vile man

i'm sorry that he is ill as I would be for anyone else, but I'd rather people saved their clapping (if that's what they are into) for the medical professionals who have died as a result of lack of PPE. As head of the government and current leader of the Tory the buck for that stops with Boris. Hopefully he will make a speedy recovery and come of of it with a new found passion for the NHS, and the will to undo years of Tory cuts.

Whatever you think of him, he won by a landslide so the majority of decent working people support him

No, that's not how our electoral system works. The Tories under Johnson got a minority of the votes but first past the post artificially creates majorities. There's nothing particularly sinister about this, it's just the way the system we use functions.

As for decent working people, why limit it to them: do you think those who work should get more of a say than those who don't? Because actually, given that the Tories did best amongst the retired, Johnson got even less support amongst the working population. No idea how we begin to define who's decent and who isn't!

Yes. Being advised daily on how to avoid infection by politicians and experts who then went on to ignore that advice themselves is not worthy of applause.

What makes him a brilliant Prime Minister? I keep seeing that comment but no-one is giving any reasons. Seriously, what has he actually delivered aside from a weak Churchill impression?

Boris was willing to let people die to save the economy. He explicitly said so. His delayed response and refusal to listen to experts in countries who were steps ahead of us like Italy killed people. His refusal to do the bare minimum to prepare despite explicit warnings (like preparing ventilators) is responsible for deaths. His refusal to carry out testing, and acting like a petulant child refusing the EU's offer to go into their ventilator scheme is responsible for deaths. His sheer arrogance at stating he shook hands with COVID-19 patients’ hands to downplay this may be why he is in ICU right now. He definitely raised the confidence of twats like his father who thought it was a good time to head to the pub and socialize.

He has taken every wrong step there is, and I'd imagine that in his normal life it is others that pay the price as it usually goes with the extreme privileged. This may be the first time Johnson has received consequences for his actions. I think his supposed brilliancy boils down to the fact that he is not Jeremy Corbyn? Yet the things he has done right in this were all things Corbyn suggested first!

I'm not wishing extended illness on him but I’m going to save my sympathy for people who died because he handled this so fucking badly. He's a disaster.