AIBU to think Angela Rayners comments are very unhelpful?

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Angela Rayner has said today that it is unreasonable of Matt Hancock to say people shouldn’t sunbathe in parks etc as some people live in flats/ don’t have any outside space.
While I’m sure it is very hard for those in this position, I think her blatant attempt To undermine the guidelines and turn it into a class issue is unhelpful and encourages people to gather outside in public areas directly contravening guidelines.

Wanting to be outside because you live in a flat doesn't protect you from the bloke three foot away coughing in your direction.

If you’re a good distance away from everyone else in the park I don’t actually see the issue. Busy parks where people can’t adequately distance themselves - yes that’s a problem. But the goal is to keep us separate not inside regardless of all else

Do you have a link. Assuming that's what she said then it's monumentally stupid to undermine the social distancing legislation.

Not really suprising from Angela Raynor. I doubt she's said anything in her life which could be characterised as helpful.

"doesn't protect you from the bloke three foot away"

It does if you are 2 metres away.

There is a class element to who will do better during lock down and who will have better outcomes. There's people who will be monitoring this, as a class issue and taking note of the area that have been deprived the most by the Torys.

I don't think social commentary should stop.

It was business as usual, then lock down, with no real exit strategy.

The virus will still be there when lock down ends.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8188953/amp/Labours-new-deputy-leader-Angela-Rayner-blasts-Matt-Hancock.html

She said that it was fine as long as you socially distanced

but leaving the house to sun bathe is not an essential journey or exercise.....

What she said
"then I think people should do social distancing and should keep their distance but also be reasonable and proportionate about that."

She also said that the government should support people doing the right thing. Social distancing, not isolation will be with us for some time. So lets not demonise people following the guidance.

She also criticised Matt Hancock for going out so early after testing positive.

"but leaving the house to sun bathe is not an essential journey or exercise....."

But this is were we have to be reasonable and proportionate.

buffalo cauliflour
Does sunbathing in a public space come under ‘essential shopping, Caring responsibilities, exercise or going to work’
No? So it shouldn’t be happening. It’s not bloody difficult to follow basic rules unless you’re a twat.

She's bloody awful and will undermine any good Keir Starmer does.

So you can't sit down in the park when you've walked there?
Please can someone tell that to both my DCs!

Angela Rayner is an idiot, not just for this reason.

drspouse no you can’t.
If they can’t walk that far without sitting down then Unfortunately you will have to make your walk shorter.
Police will move people on if they see people sitting down outside. I’ve seen footage on Brighton sea front.

It's exercise, if you have to walk to the park to do it.

One of my 7 yr old gs's classmates has 5 siblings, all living in a high-rise flat. I'd say a walk to the park and a sit-down when they get there is essential in their case. Vit D from sunshine is a necessity and, providing they maintain social distancing from non-family members, they're doing nothing wrong.

Angela Rayner is sticking up for the people who come from the same background as she did.

I don't think going out to open a hospital for coronavirus patients, 8 days after testing positive for coronavirus, is essential either, but Matt Hancock did that.

He still looks visibly ill.

@drspouse everyone knows young children don't stick to the rules.

I don't like Angela Rayner generally, but I do think she kind of has a point.

If you live in some shitty flat in Central London (that you have paid like 400k for) with no garden, and you go for a walk in your very densely populated area to your nearest green space, then yes, there are bound to be more people about than if you live in a lovely house in the countryside where you can walk for an hour and not see a soul.

But then, as others have said, the virus doesn't give a fuck if you live in a flat so... 🤷‍♀️

ponoka but people sitting outside in public spaces are not following the guidance at all....

vaginatonic but she wasn’t talking about exercise (which is allowed in the guidelines* she was specifically saying that sunbathing outside was fine if you socially distanced, despite in being in contravention of the guidelines.

The problem is that it becomes impossible to monitor if some people are allowed to do it. On a nice day like this people set off from home to get some sunshine in the park and find that 500 other people have had the same idea, and social distancing is impossible to maintain.

Relying on those people to then decide for themselves to go home, when they perhaps think that the people who have been there for some time already and had some fresh air, isn't going to work.

I live in a second floor flat in a city. The point of the guidelines is to reduce opportunities for contact with the virus. I'm not the COVID police and I deplore some behaviour on the other end of the spectrum, but Rayner is irresponsible. Walking/running for exercise is different to sunbathing.

thymeout
Yes she is - she is putting political points and class issues ahead of the welfare of the country.
Why do the kids have to walk to the park to get sunshine? They could just do a good walk around the block.

She’s vapid but acceptable to all wings of the party. I don’t expect sense form her.

I think she should have a word with her boss Keir Starmer because judging by what he said on the Andrew Marr show, he certainly wouldn't agree with her.

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She is right about class and wealth having a major impact on how you get through lockdown. I know I’m very lucky to be in a house with enough room for people to have some space from each other and a garden. People in a small flat with DC must be going crazy.

I like the fact that she is down to earth and unlike most politicians comes from an ordinary background, pregnant at 16 etc
I just think she’s being really irresponsible here.