To wonder why I'm getting abuse?

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I'm an A&E nurse, I have had to leave my DH and ds at home and move into accommodation as I pose a risk to them both. This was not an easy decision, I'm heartbroken as is my family, but it felt like I'm damned if I do damned if I don't.
Last night on a "spotted" page I follow on Facebook somebody wrote in to ask if them and their 3 friends that they are "spending isolation together" with could go to the park for a game of football. I asked them if they thought this was a holiday, I took that terminology as "spending Christmas together", and suggested playing their football game in the garden. Oh my god, the abuse I have been given! Apparently this is something I signed up for (bloody well didn't sign up to have to leave my family), I am part of the problem as I'm spreading this around, I'm "thick" because a game of football is a form of exercise and that is allowed under government guidelines, I'm bitter because they can spend time playing with their mates whereas I've walked out in my family.

I honestly don't get this. Spending isolation together makes it sound like they're not taking this seriously, football games are not essential (and are being dispersed by police). It's mainly 20-something men that have been abusive, not that that makes a difference I guess, and they have displayed an enormous lack of ignorance around the whole situation.

Do I deserve the abuse I've been getting? Should I have just stfu (I have barely commented on anything on Facebook because our trust are monitoring our social media). I just got annoyed that people are STILL disregarding the guidelines set out, if they continue to act like this then we will be facing similar measures to Spain and Italy where any outdoor exercise is forbidden.

The infection and death figures today are absolutely horrendous almost 600 dead in 24hours and 2 nurses among them
Stay at home and don't be in those numbers is the essential advice im taking

Everyone is coming up with their own interpretation of the rules and the law and that's a ridiculous situation. You've interpreted "local" to mean one to two miles but says who really? I'm suggesting a mile or two as one of the reasons for not travelling is so that you aren't spreading infection to a new area. The people who live within a mile or two of me would shop at the same shops, work in the same places and wouldn't involve spreading it to another area.

Fifty miles isn't your local area and it involves other risks, more chance of an accident, more chance of a breakdown, more risk of needing petrol.

You are constantly making up rules so why shouldn't we all join in?

I've just been for a walk in local area, no driving involved. Saw a dad having a kick about with his 2 sons on local pitch. They didn't seem to be inciting anyone to join in, there was me and it isn't my thing and two dog walkers and funnily enough 2 dogs. They all resisted the urge to get up close and personal and spread anything.

...there is no mention of the word 'local' either.

Hence there is no need for anybody to come up with their own interpretation.

It's all just a bizarre game of Chinese Whispers; I wholeheartedly wish people would actually read the law for themselves and follow it.

I think it is reasonable to listen to Matt Hancock. Well as reasonable as listening to anything else this govt might say.

The infection and death figures today are absolutely horrendous almost 600 dead in 24hours and 2 nurses among them

Unless you can provide an accurate breakdown of what proportion of those 600 deaths would have happened anyway, and which are 'excess deaths' due to CoronaVirus then you shouldn't be posting 'data' like that. Its very irresponsible.

I think it is reasonable to listen to Matt Hancock. Well as reasonable as listening to anything else this govt might say

I'm sorry to bang on, but this is also very worrying.

Paying greater heed to a single member of the Executive's passing comment in a press briefing than to what is actually written in the legislation is a terrible idea.

684 deaths who had CV when they died. Your attitude is cruel and quite callous @DCOkeford

Sadly, life is cruel and callous. I'm just realistic.

Ok here are some stats from the ONS on death rates.

TL/DR -

• Deaths w/e 20th Mar were down by 374 on the previous week.

• There were only 74 more deaths for week 12 of this year than in the average of the 'week 12' figures for the last 5 years.

This hysterical 'Death Rate Soars!!' reporting really needs to stop as it just isn't supported by the facts.

I've been wondering about how the BBC gets away with such uncontextualised headlines about 'soaring' 'death tolls'.

It's hysterical, but I've come to understand that people like pandemic drama.

Yup.

I haven’t seen my dp for 3 weeks, and won’t until lock down and isolation is over. As he lives with his mum who is vulnerable.

Ds sees his dad twice a week now instead of daily, and that’s through the window, as his dad is an essential worker, and we’ve deemed this the safest for ds and myself.

Daily we see children from different families out playing near our home.

Daily parents on fb write that they’ve ‘chucked the kids out for a couple of hours’.

Daily my neighbour has had between 3-8 (yes 8!!) different visitors (great when the music is going too!). They may only be there for an hour or so, but still. However they did wake me at 2am this morning with him and 3 people leaving the house.

Daily we have seen 4 different families walk to the local shop together several times.

I’ve just reached the conclusion that you can’t tell ‘stupid’. A lot of people will only sit up and take notice when they have a loved one in intensive care or sadly dies. (Followed by all the poor us posts on social media).

It’s not an older persons virus, it’s not a vulnerable persons, as statistics are sadly showing everyone is at risk. This virus is a clever little sod who has not regard for age.
But some people won’t pay attention until it bites them on the arse unfortunately.

It’s not an older persons virus...This virus is a clever little sod who has not regard for age

Again, not a claim borne out by the facts

I’ve just reached the conclusion that you can’t tell ‘stupid’. A lot of people will only sit up and take notice when they have a loved one in intensive care or sadly dies. (Followed by all the poor us posts on social media).

The average British person won't know someone who has been hospitalised for coronavirus, much less the ICU, much less died from it.

Firstly thank you for trying to keep the nation safe amongst the pigheaded stupidity ♥️👏..
Secondly don't let them get to you, I've given up saying anything to anyone except my closest circle.
I'm January I said to someone that covid would hit the UK. I was screeched at for being a terrible mother, a drama queen and as bad as a doomsday prepper! So I thought fuck Em and quietly made my own plans.
So now I don't have to panic buy and I am enjoying reading all the books I've been meaning to read.
I've found you can't tell stupid or pigheadedness.
You keep doing the fantastic job you're doing and leave them to regret it later.
Again thank you ❤️

Re "soaring death tolls" - I presume those refer to people dying of Coronavirus, and not just people dying in general? As it stands, yesterday over 600 people died. A very large proportion of those would not have died within the next few months had they not had CV. Each one of those numbers is a person, likely with friends and family. Regardless of whether the death stats aren't much higher than last year, it's not something to be flippant about.

Yes, the stats confirm that those most at risk of death are the elderly, followed by those with underlying health conditions. But that doesn't mean everyone else is "safe". There are already a reasonably large number of young fit and well people in hospital being treated for this, and some have already died. Locally to us a 13 year old boy with no known health conditions has died of coronavirus.

Normally I'm 100% against scaremongering, but if it helps combat the "just a flu, won't hurt me cause I'm young so I'll just carry on as normal" attitude which is still sadly prevalent then maybe it's not a wholly bad thing this time around.

Re "soaring death tolls" - I presume those refer to people dying of Coronavirus, and not just people dying in general? As it stands, yesterday over 600 people died. A very large proportion of those would not have died within the next few months had they not had CV. Each one of those numbers is a person, likely with friends and family. Regardless of whether the death stats aren't much higher than last year, it's not something to be flippant about.

Flippancy has nothing to do with it, but rather normal standards of journalism. If you can't see that the word 'surging' as opposed to 'rising' is editorialising, then we'll have to agree to disagree.

Like using the term 'crashing out' as opposed to a 'no-deal Brexit'.

Shouldn't we do what the Prime Minister says rather than what the secretary of state for health says?

Bizarre thing to say when you have a Prime Minister with the track record for deceit that Johnson has.

But in any event, the answer to that question is - No, we should do what the law says.

Deaths from non C19 causes are likely to be down because there are fewer transport and industrial accidents happening, people aren't getting heart attacks from unwise exercise, isolation means we're not picking up so many other nasty bugs (including normal flu) etc. That self-evidently doesn't compensate for C19 deaths.

I agree Judy. I wonder how many deaths have been prevented from the cancellation of all operations too? Not saying that they were due to mistakes or negligence and likely deaths from cancelled procedures will appear later in the year, but some people will die from complications so they too are missing from the current statistics.

Of course pollution has also reduced and that accounts for many deaths every year.

Safe to say, deaths will have been prevented by lockdown, even if not linked to covid

I wonder how many deaths have been prevented from the cancellation of all operations too?

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Of course pollution has also reduced and that accounts for many deaths every year.

There's no way you'd see a reduction in deaths related to pollution within weeks or even a year. People aren't dying within days of living in polluted air but because of years of pollution. It would take years to see if it had had an effect.

LotsaDo

Why the ?

People die from complications of surgery.

People might well have died as a result of complications planned in March. The surgery was cancelled and they are alive. They might still die as a result of not having the op in March eg elective AAA repair, bypass, angioplasty, surgery for cancer but they aren't yet showing up in the figures.

I doubt we'll get a true picture until we look at the death rate for the year, rather than just one month. At that point we can say whether this saved lives or not.

Shouldn't we do what the Prime Minister says rather than what the secretary of state for health says? What like carry on shaking hands with people during a pandemic?

Well that poster was advocating us do what the health secretary said, so, given that he had it I wouldn't hold much store by him either. Clearly wasn't following the rules was he?