In hoping this is the end of cruises?

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Carnival Cruises are in the shit following the Pandemic. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/31/carnival-cruises-seeks-6bn-funding-amid-coronavirus-fallout?CMP=ShareAndroidAppp_Facebook

AIBU in hoping this is the end of these disgusting floating effluent and
emission producing shit heaps that sully our global waters?

Presumably OP these cruise ships can only dock if the relevant countries authorities allow them to.
No disembarking allowed anywhere equals no cruise ships.
You’re blaming the wrong people.

I hope the cruising industry shrinks considerably and only smaller greener ships survive.
Dubrovnik has been completely hollowed out by cruise ships and Kotor seemed to be going the same way a couple of years ago.
Not to mention the high pollution levels they make.

I live in a destination that had the cruise shop port closed because of government instability. It hurt the local economy in the area quite grievously. I lived close to the port, I quite enjoyed the buzz of new people coming in everyday.

I went on my first and only cruise a couple of years ago. I was very hesitant because of a lot of view shared here. I ended up absolutely adoring it. If you choose to have long haul holidays, you are contributing quite significantly to pollution. Regardless of whether it is a resort in the Caribbean or a cruise ship or a round the world flight ticket. It's a choice you make.

Cruise ships don't only go to places where the local community don't need the income, they also go to small isolated communities where they are the only source of income.

Totally agree - places like Kirkwall on the Orkney Islands makes a fortune from visiting ships. It keeps a lot of people in work in a place where options are limited.

I've not seen the figures for the environmental impact of cruises, but they're basically floating council estates. If you consider the environmental impact of 5000 people on an estate leading their lives for 2 months, it's really not good. Is the impact of a cruise ship actually due to the mode of transport itself?

I've found this thread so interesting, had no idea about any of this.

Probably because being in a floating prison has never appealed, don't even have a passport these days.

@Kazzyhoward So you honestly believe that shit pay terms and conditions for crew are acceptable as jobs in the Philippines are shitter? But hey the need for people to stuff themselves stupid at all you can eat "afternoon tea" on a cruise ship is the most important priority

Totally agree - places like Kirkwall on the Orkney Islands makes a fortune from visiting ships. It keeps a lot of people in work in a place where options are limited.

...and many more. I don't like the environmental impact of cruises but the impact they have on the economy of many small communities can't be ignored. Even if the tourists only get off the boat and onto a cruise ship organised tour it is still using local companies to provide the coach, the staff etc.

So you honestly believe that shit pay terms and conditions for crew are acceptable as jobs in the Philippines are shitter?

Feel free to go and set up a business in the Phillippines where you can employ locals under better pay if you feel that strongly.

People moving around the Globe for better jobs to support their families has been happening for centuries.

I do feel sorry for anyone stuck on a cruise ship right now... but at the same time, what on earth were they thinking when they boarded! Unless they’ve been on for 2 months, they must have seen what happened to the Diamond Princess.

Far too many people with prejudices not looking at the true facts

Indeed - but though it's changed completely now, there was a time when only "posh rich folk" went on cruises and the rest of us couldn't have begun to afford one
Perceptions take time to shift, so there's often an edge of the old attitudes to cruisers still to be seen - though it's noticeably absent when it comes to flying to some Mexican mega hotel for an all inclusive break spent lying round the pool and gorging on buffets and booze

Fuel - the Sulphur Fuel Cap came into effect Jan 2020. You can read more here www.imo.org/en/MediaCentre/HotTopics/Pages/Sulphur-2020.aspx

I do think the people pollution is very poor.

I do feel sorry for anyone stuck on a cruise ship right now... but at the same time, what on earth were they thinking when they boarded!

Is that any different from the thousands of people who flew out of the UK on holiday early to mid March and are now stranded. Likewise they must have realised that the whole world tourist industry was closing down?

though it's noticeably absent when it comes to flying to some Mexican mega hotel for an all inclusive break spent lying round the pool and gorging on buffets and booze

Indeed, gluttony and waste in a beach resort is ok, but the same on a cruise ship isn't. Double standards and hypocracy as usual.

@seriouslyretro there are some places on earth that are beautiful and stunning because they are untouched by humans. More so when they are remote and take a carefully planned excursion to get there.

Visiting those places is a huge privilege of course and yes the 'right kind of tourist' is fine. The one who arrive and 'leave nothing but footsteps'.

Going to Milford sound 20 years ago involved a day in drive, a camp and day out drive on tiny gravel roads having previously camped at Te Anu, another little town. Most tourists were a handful of campers or people who had done the 5 day Milford track walk. When you got there it was glorious. Stunning scenery, pristine silence. Kiwis if you were lucky. Dolphins if you had brought a kayak or went for a swim

Now there are hotels, car parks, visitor centres, cafes, half hourly boats so people who have been shipped in in double deckers can throw things at seals. There's bottles floating in the water. Seagulls are now after the trash and rats have killed the Kiwis.

The beauty of the place is gone. To now add cruise ships which, in the case of Ovation if the Seas carries 4500 people is a travesty. These places are not for humans to come in their masses and ruin because 'it's for everyone'. It's bloody not. Mass tourism has ruined our wildernesses and special places. It's a bit like building a airport on the top of Snowden so 'everyone can experience it'.

There is a Maori legend that the goddess Hine-Te-Po released sandflies at Milford Sound to keep humans away from such a beautiful place knowing they would ruin it...

Indeed, gluttony and waste in a beach resort is ok, but the same on a cruise ship isn't.

Who says those of us who think cruises aren't a good idea are in favour of those resorts?
Two wrongs don't make a right.

Is that any different from the thousands of people who flew out of the UK on holiday early to mid March and are now stranded. Likewise they must have realised that the whole world tourist industry was closing down?

Not much different, certainly! I also wonder what they were thinking!

I'm hoping it's the end of flying for fun and business too

Not going to happen - granted the industry will be dented for now, but good luck with expecting business people to forego an expenses paid trip or tourists to give up their breaks in the sun

It's not as simple as that of course, but just as some conveniently realise the "effect on the environment" only after they've had a fourth child, so the justifications will return when it comes to the doom-mongers wanting to travel again

I've never done a cruise but have always loved the idea of sailing from one place to another & getting off to see certain places.

Like a modern Grand Tour.

I fly a lot for work and I’m really hoping it does mean the end of it for me. We could do most of it by Zoom, I’m sure. I’m hoping once my company sees how much they’ve saved on T&E that they restrict it.

good luck with expecting business people to forego an expenses paid trip

Oh, I think quite a lot of businesses will look at all this and realise, yes, certain types of workers can function effectively from home, and that certain types of role have in the past wasted huge amounts of time and money.

I used to have to travel for business a bit, DH quite a lot and it really wasn't jollies, it was great when the Internet meant I no longer had to do that.

I was in Cartagena Spain last summer, and heard this announcement ringing out across the harbour, from a cruise ship moored there;

Ding Dong - this is the Captain speaking.
Owing to the sudden death of a crew member, we will be late leaving Cartagena while we complete the formalities.
But don't worry, we will still make our arrival time into Gibralter tomorrow, Ding Dong.

I was truly appalled, and to me that sums up cruise companies.

I'm not "hoping" for the end of any industry or employment opportunities for anyone tbh. As for the "ooh those cheap holidays are ruining the world" crew, I have no desire to return to the joyless 1970s holidays of my childhood with terrifying wonky headed b&b owners counting how many slices of toast you eat. Cheap holidays are a good thing for people on low incomes.

I agree that cruises are horrible because they pollute the environment and overrun historical places which are already huge pressure from the amount of tourists anyway.
I can't see anything positive about bringing over 3000 people in Venice on one ship and let them out there, then move on and let them out in another city.

Love a thread when envious people love to raise their outrage pretending their views is in the best interest of the planet when they don't know what they are talking about at all, and it's really nothing to do with that but the fact cruising is either something they have no interest in, so ok to target and ignore the ways they themselves polute the planet, or which they could enjoy the luxury so get a kick out of blaming those who gets to do what they can't.