In hoping this is the end of cruises?

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Carnival Cruises are in the shit following the Pandemic. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/31/carnival-cruises-seeks-6bn-funding-amid-coronavirus-fallout?CMP=ShareAndroidAppp_Facebook

AIBU in hoping this is the end of these disgusting floating effluent and
emission producing shit heaps that sully our global waters?

Not sure where you pulled this gem from disgorging effluent into fjords but it’s bolox!

With fines in the millions for offloading any waste into the oceans cruise ships are perfectly safe.
Here, try educating yourself instead if embarrassing yourself with misinformation.
www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/cruises/what-happens-when-you-flush-the-loo-on-a-cruise-ship-/

Agree. Feel sorry for people who work for cruise companies but they are the worst type of tourism. Thousands of people flooding into tiny ports and historic cities that don’t have the infrastructure to cope, and not spending any money in cafes and restaurants because they eat on board the ship.

Tourism in general is getting out of hand but cruises just totally ruin the vibe of places. Get rid.

Don't most people fly to get to the big cruise ships in the first place? Isn't part of the problem now is that they're not ocean liners, and there aren't enough places they can all moor up?

Smaller boats, especially ones you can get to without flying are a different matter. Watching eg Drama channel with Viking river cruises there are some boats which look in scale but there's one with a quaint, probably Nordic village completely outsized by a massive floating apartment block.

I have been on only one cruise. Passengers about 1200, so not a mega cruise, but not one of the smaller ones.
As my first cruise, I did not realise that the ship is considered part of the holiday, as we were more concerned with the places we vsited, where there were a variety of tours, or free time, etc. We avoided all laid on entertainment, except for some daytime lectures on the places we were visiting.
The crew were very careful about hygeine, and had anti bacterial hand wash thingys available all round the boat, and 'offerred/encouraged' their use when entering the resturants. This because there has previously been exampes of food poisoning on these ships. (Not sure of this company, but they are fairly well known for food poisoning).
Personally, although I enjoyed the cruise, I am not really in a hurry to go on another one. I can also see that for some people, they fulfill a purpose, which they would find very hard by other means.

And for those saying for disabled and older people it's the only way to see places.

Sorry but if the only to see places is to ruin environments and negatively impact on the population living there then it's still not okay. It is not a right to see places it's a bloody huge privilege.

There are other ways it's just going to take longer

@alloutoffucks

That’s a shame but I think it would be better for smaller ships to operate disabled friendly holidays that don’t wreck the places they visit quite as much. There must be alternatives especially as PLENTY of cruise goers aren’t elderly or disabled!

The people saying they're the only way for people who can't fly/are disabled to travel- that's definitely not true.

I had a close friend who wouldn't fly because of fear, and I now know a few people who won't fly for environmental reasons. They have all tended to go for trains or ferries, have holidayed across Europe doing so: most cruises that go any further than the med people tend to have to take a flight at one end or the other.

Disabled access is something that should be improved in general, but I can't see how the cruise part helps offset the challenges in cities that aren't accessible: the accommodation could be anywhere, and when you're exploring the city you're in the same situation as if you got there by other means.

Passenger ferries are actually much lower emissions than cruise ships: we ended up driving to Switzerland from Ireland a few years ago for slightly complicated reasons and out of interest I compared the carbon to if we flew, assuming that it would be worse (long ferry, lots of driving) and in reality it was something like half. But cruise ships have so much space given to accommodation, amenities, etc etc it's incompatible.

They are disgusting. You see all these people streaming off into a few generic gem/clothes shops, rarely assisting the local economy, causing ridiculous levels of pollution. I've been on a couple as a teenager with family and the greed was genuinely sickening; the food consumption and also waste... just awful.

100% agree. I hope in general it will get people to reassess how / how often they travel, but would love to see the end of cruises as they have such a huge detrimental effect on the environment

So what than are they going to do with the actual ships themselves cut them all up?.

They'll just like Airlines will go bust, reform and restart the spare planes arent going away either.

As to crusie ships small scale nuclear power they power subs and the like?.
And bury the waste glassified and deep!.

I totally agree with you OP
On a related point. Cruise ships couldn't just chuck out their empty glass bottles, but they were bulky and heavy to transport. So a system was invented where they were broken down into fragments with no sharp edges. This has allowed glass recycling on shore to be carried out efficiently. I just wish I could remember the name of the process.

I hope the smaller cruise ships can continue. I think aviation is worse for the environment

@SerenDippitty As someone in the past who has worked with several cruises companies on-board in a fairly senior position I would dis-agree. Poor pay (including often manning agency cons), poor living conditions and brutal contracts in terms of time away/time back are the norm everywhere.

We were on a cruise in February on an RC owned line and a member of staff told us she used to work on a P&O ship and that RC were better.

Cruise ships started coming to my small home town after the port they used to use had to close, it's all very well saying they bring in income but it's a marine reserve so cruise ships absolutely should not be allowed anywhere near the place.

There need to be very strict restrictions on the size of ships, max 1000 guests I'd say, and extremely strict restrictions on where they are allowed to go. Cruising needs to go back to being a small ship experience and not floating resorts with over 10 thousand people (including crew) on board. That's from the environmental side.

From the human perspective though, cruising is keeping many families in places like the Philipines afloat but at a huge personal cost as families are split up. There just isn't the employment locally.

I’ve always disliked the massive cruise ships. Its like locust descending on small islands. Awful. I suspect they will suffer for a few years, but they will recover and start again once we’ve a vaccine.

Because I have a high pressure job I have always gone away for my time off work (not cruises but away). Since covid 19 I've realised how much me and the kids love being at home and I've lost a lot of money so I think we will be enjoying my time off relaxing at home for the next few years at least.
Maybe lots of people who previously went on cruises will be the same. They will have less money and will suddenly appreciate time at home more so wont return to going on cruises

I don’t go on cruises. I don’t fly either. I basically holiday in this country. Saying that people who don’t or can’t fly have no other option than to cruise just shows how entitled people have become. Just because you CAN doesn’t mean you SHOULD.

if this is the only thing you have to worry about, cruises which im guessing you have probably never even been on you need to give your head a wobble..

1st world problems eh

OP I agree about the bigger ships they are horrendous and would never go on them. Our last one was 800 passengers.

Cruises aren't my cup of tea but a lot of people love them.

Cruise ship in a marine reserve - sickening.

I have never been attracted to the idea of cruising although we have lots of friends who love to spend part of each winter cruising. Having seen how it has been for people stuck on these cruise ships with the virus on board there is no way I would ever consider it now.

Add the environmental costs on top and it is hard to see how it can survive.

Well @peterpangoeswrong NY times says

"Yet by law ships can still dump raw sewage if they’re more than three nautical miles from shore. And almost 40 percent of cruise ships we surveyedd_ still rely on 35-year-old waste treatment technology, leaving sewage with high levels of fecal matter, bacteria, heavy metals and other contaminants harmful to aquatic life and people."

www.nytimes.com/2016/06/30/opinion/cruise-ship-sewage.amp.html

Telegraph or the NY Times. Who to believe when the former sounds like their PR company has written it...?

Ask anyone who lives in a place plagued by cruise ships and they'll tell you how much of a nuisance they are. How many wish they could ban them etc.

Hope you're ok OP, have a lie down.