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What can I do about vexatious noise complaints?

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Whatisthisfuckery · 27/03/2020 14:08

I’ll try to be as brief as possible but please bear with.

My downstairs neighbours have been making vexatious noise complaints about me to the council.

Background

Last year a notice appeared in our hallway asking residents to please be mindful of noise. I went down to speak to my downstairs neighbour to make sure it wasn’t anything I was doing that was causing the noise. They said, yes, it was they who’d put it up, and that there was a tumble drier making a noise. I said it was probably mine and we agreed a time when it would be switched off in the evening. I recorded the conversation and stuck to the agreement on the couple of days each week that I used my drier.

Fast forward a couple of months and I get a knock on my door from the council. Apparently a noise complaint was made about me using a tumble drier late at night every night. I told them that this wasn’t the case, I certainly don’t use it every night and that I had stuck to the agreement made about when it should go off. They seemed happy enough and went away. I then went down to talk to the neighbour again to ask them why they’d made a complaint when we’d agreed and I’d stuck to it. They said they hadn’t made a complaint to the council they’d complained to the letting agent and it was ages ago. Again I recorded it on my phone. I was a bit confused but let it drop but I told them as before that if they had an issue to please come and discuss it with me.

Fast forward to today and I get a telephone call from the council again. Another noise complaint has been made about me, this time about me playing a musical instrument 8constantly* between the hours of 10am and 6pm. Well yes, I do play the saxophone, but I practice for about 30 minutes up to three times a day, certainly only in the day and not every day. I told the council man this and he seemed happy enough and said they’d close. I mentioned the previous complaint and he wasn’t aware of it.

I went down to speak to my neighbour again, again I recorded it on my phone. They said they didn’t make an official complaint but that the council had called them today to ask whether their previous noise complaint about the tumble drier had been resolved. This is the previous complaint they denied making remember. they said they only mentioned the saxophone in passing but it definitely wasn’t an official complaint, and that the council had definitely only called today to ask about the previous complaint they’d made. During the conversation neighbour went from them saying they told the council I play a saxophone sometimes to them telling the council I play it constantly. I knew they were lying but again reminded them that if there was a problem, come and speak to me.

I called the council man back and asked if the council would call and ask a complainant about a previous complaint. he said that they definitely would not unless a notice had been served. He couldn’t confirm who had made the complaint but he checked back about the last complaint and said it was closed 5 days after it was made with no further action, in fact it was nowhere near the threshold for further action. He said he had called the complainant about the current complaint about the saxophone today and that the complaint had been lodged last friday. I asked if there was any channel I could go through to report vexatious complaints and he said that the only way was to report it to the police for harassment.

So neighbour is telling big fat porkies and I have it on recording. They are making vexatious complaints about me, for what reason I don’t know. I called 101 but was told it’s not a police matter, so no help there.

What can I do about this? It’s making me feel unwelcome, stressed and fearful in my own home.

OP posts:
Rosemary7391 · 27/03/2020 19:39

Do people really try and minimize the amount of noise they make? I can't believe so many people use headphones to watch TV, listen to the radio, listen to music... that's all just as frivolous as playing the sax after all. Most people aim for reasonable.

Aloe6 · 27/03/2020 20:10

Vexatious complaints would be harassment and would be a police matter. It sounds like these are genuine complaints founded in the truth, so not vexatious.

It’s quite confrontational that you go and confront the neighbour. I can see why they’d struggle to hold their hands up with you stood in front of them recording every word.

Despite what the council have said to you I hope the thread has shown that most people wouldn’t like to hear saxophone practice most days.

Dipi79 · 27/03/2020 20:25

This thread has given me a much needed giggle. Thanks, OP for providing fodder for our amusement.

Doggomatic · 27/03/2020 20:44

@CrocodileFrock. That made me laugh too!

There is so much comedy gold on here. Blatting saxophones at Grade 2 level at intermittant times was made illegal at Guantanamo because it was considered a crime against humanity; unless it was played in a wardrobe.

Panpastels · 27/03/2020 21:00

Your embouchure gets tired after a while

only on mumsnet ! Grin

Cherrysoup · 27/03/2020 21:16

I had a neighbour who played piccolo professionally, in an orchestra. I HATED him very soon after he moved in and I wasn’t even on lockdown. Grade 2 sax being attempted 3 times a day and I would want to kill you dead, repeatedly.

Sorry, OP, I think it is unreasonable to practise ‘Little tunes for little Fingers’ 3 times a day (3 times a fucking day?!) when you’re Grade 2 ie a novice.

Cherrysoup · 27/03/2020 21:21

Do people really try and minimize the amount of noise they make?

Yes, I do. My lounge adjoins my neighbour’s. If I want to watch a noisy film, I do it in the kitchen, separated from the neighbour by 2 walls and the staircase and 2 closed doors.

I moved from my first flat due to excessively noisy neighbours (think violent, drug dealer, music at full blast 7pm to 7am) so I’m extremely sensitive to noise and probably over considerate to others.

Clymene · 27/03/2020 21:26

Your neighbours have the patience of saints

Stuckandsadintheupsidedown · 27/03/2020 21:27

My old neighbour used to play 'i don't feel like dancing' on his saxophone 3 times a day at random intervals. You really can't do that OK. It drove me maddddd

Butchyrestingface · 27/03/2020 21:27

I went down to speak to my neighbour again

I take it you don't live in the UK? Only we're all on lockdown here.

Quizacabusi · 27/03/2020 21:32

Wow. Never mind the noise. Have you asked them permission to record them? I would be furious at you if I knew you were recording me. You need to think about boundaries and how your desires / habits do not mean you can do whatever you want.

Ronnie27 · 27/03/2020 21:35

Op I’m sorry to say this made me giggle. Late night tumble drying and saxophone playing in an upstairs flat is quite antisocial and you seem mystified. Grin

The neighbour is obviously complaining but doesn’t want to have it out with you. She’s put a sign up, she’s discussed it with you and now she’s got the council involved. Is she being a bit sensitive or do you think you could genuinely be causing a nuisance and not realising it?

Next steps from the council would generally be to give her sound equipment to record the noise and look to issue notice. If there’s nothing on the recordings no further action will be taken. Be aware that she is probably keeping a log of dates and times to build evidence too and have a good think about exactly how much she can hear underneath you. Noise is part and parcel of living in a flat sometimes but you might not realise how much your noise is amplified to her.

RunsForGummyBears · 27/03/2020 21:38

Second the whisper mute - 90 minutes of practice is way over the top though. Give your damn mouth and the neighbors a break!

FeedMeSantiago · 27/03/2020 21:41

Honestly OP three times a day is too much.

DH and I have always lived in flats and he doesn't play his instruments more than once in a blue moon. Certainly not 3 times a day at a time when our neighbours are all in!

Once a day for 30 minutes would be much more reasonable.

BackyardChickens · 27/03/2020 21:49

This thread is absolutely hilarious!

Madcats · 27/03/2020 23:01

When DD had to cram G5 scales before her exam for a fortnight, she did it for 10 minutes/night.

We are in a 3 storey terrace and I sort of know where everybody lives at various times of the day.

Aspiring G2 sax is not neighbourly, certainly not 90 minutes/day, in a block of flats.

Plenty of electric instruments out there.

Saxophones aren't cheap, please sell it.

PhilCornwall1 · 28/03/2020 06:37

Dh says put a towel down your bell and play into your wardrobe of clothes"

Ouch!!!! Confused

roundtable · 28/03/2020 07:03

OP you are being very unreasonable- they are probably on edge all day waiting for you to start practising multiple times a day. If it's sudden it probably makes them jump as a saxophone is loud.

You must agree a time with them and stick to it. Plus it should be only once a day. You live in a flat, you have to be mindful of neighbours. Even once a day would drive anyone potty at the moment though. Have some consideration. I'm surprised your other neighbours haven't commented too.

MrsMozartMkII · 28/03/2020 07:10

NRTFT but blinking heck OP!

I play the sax and there's no way I'd be playing 3x a day in a flat. That's beyond anti social.

KatherineJaneway · 28/03/2020 07:21

His reports aren't vexatious. You said it was your tumble drier so that was one correct report and playing the sax 3 times a day every day probably feels like all time time!

He's lucky you didn't fancy the bagpipes.

SinkGirl · 28/03/2020 08:11

I must admit the pics of the kid playing with this contraption tickled me. Problem solved OP 😂

I love playing music too, but I didn’t while I lived in flats. Now I play the digital piano with headphones or very quietly. Saxophone is just not really a suitable instrument for living in a flat.

What can I do about vexatious noise complaints?
ocarinan · 28/03/2020 22:15

@devlesko

I'm glad you're not my neighbour, especially working from home.

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