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What can I do about vexatious noise complaints?

147 replies

Whatisthisfuckery · 27/03/2020 14:08

I’ll try to be as brief as possible but please bear with.

My downstairs neighbours have been making vexatious noise complaints about me to the council.

Background

Last year a notice appeared in our hallway asking residents to please be mindful of noise. I went down to speak to my downstairs neighbour to make sure it wasn’t anything I was doing that was causing the noise. They said, yes, it was they who’d put it up, and that there was a tumble drier making a noise. I said it was probably mine and we agreed a time when it would be switched off in the evening. I recorded the conversation and stuck to the agreement on the couple of days each week that I used my drier.

Fast forward a couple of months and I get a knock on my door from the council. Apparently a noise complaint was made about me using a tumble drier late at night every night. I told them that this wasn’t the case, I certainly don’t use it every night and that I had stuck to the agreement made about when it should go off. They seemed happy enough and went away. I then went down to talk to the neighbour again to ask them why they’d made a complaint when we’d agreed and I’d stuck to it. They said they hadn’t made a complaint to the council they’d complained to the letting agent and it was ages ago. Again I recorded it on my phone. I was a bit confused but let it drop but I told them as before that if they had an issue to please come and discuss it with me.

Fast forward to today and I get a telephone call from the council again. Another noise complaint has been made about me, this time about me playing a musical instrument 8constantly* between the hours of 10am and 6pm. Well yes, I do play the saxophone, but I practice for about 30 minutes up to three times a day, certainly only in the day and not every day. I told the council man this and he seemed happy enough and said they’d close. I mentioned the previous complaint and he wasn’t aware of it.

I went down to speak to my neighbour again, again I recorded it on my phone. They said they didn’t make an official complaint but that the council had called them today to ask whether their previous noise complaint about the tumble drier had been resolved. This is the previous complaint they denied making remember. they said they only mentioned the saxophone in passing but it definitely wasn’t an official complaint, and that the council had definitely only called today to ask about the previous complaint they’d made. During the conversation neighbour went from them saying they told the council I play a saxophone sometimes to them telling the council I play it constantly. I knew they were lying but again reminded them that if there was a problem, come and speak to me.

I called the council man back and asked if the council would call and ask a complainant about a previous complaint. he said that they definitely would not unless a notice had been served. He couldn’t confirm who had made the complaint but he checked back about the last complaint and said it was closed 5 days after it was made with no further action, in fact it was nowhere near the threshold for further action. He said he had called the complainant about the current complaint about the saxophone today and that the complaint had been lodged last friday. I asked if there was any channel I could go through to report vexatious complaints and he said that the only way was to report it to the police for harassment.

So neighbour is telling big fat porkies and I have it on recording. They are making vexatious complaints about me, for what reason I don’t know. I called 101 but was told it’s not a police matter, so no help there.

What can I do about this? It’s making me feel unwelcome, stressed and fearful in my own home.

OP posts:
zigaziga · 27/03/2020 16:19

I don’t think your neighbour wants to talk to you about it.
They’re going to the council because they don’t want to speak to your directly.

Can you not stop speaking to them? Just Kee playing the saxophone but a bit less eg 1x 30 mins a day? Or try and muffle the sound somehow. No need to keep speaking to them as it’s obviously making them uncomfortable and they are not prepared to say what they think to your face anyway/

ScurrilousSquirrel · 27/03/2020 16:20

If, every time I discussed a problem with a neighbour, they recorded it on their phone, I'd stop speaking to them and deal direct with the council. As for the 90-mins daily saxophone Hmm

YABVVU

MsMD · 27/03/2020 16:21

You live in a flat and think playing the saxophone 3 times a day is ok?! I'd be making complaints about you too.

SharpieInThe · 27/03/2020 16:22

Which council are you with?

I'd like to complain on your neighbours behalf.

MintyMabel · 27/03/2020 16:24

The council have said it’s perfectly reasonable that I should be allowed to play my musical instrument for up to 2 hours a day

I find that hard to believe. According to the muscian’s union, “As a rough guide, local authorities often state that if your neighbour can hear you practise above the sound of the TV then it can be considered a nuisance.” I can’t imagine any local authority saying it’s ok to make excessive noise for two hours a day.

Devlesko · 27/03/2020 16:25

My dh and dd are both professional musicians they start at 9am and finish at 8pm. Our neighbours are great.
Ignore them, there's no law says you can't practice.
If you need lessons we're taking on, btw. All our venues have closed now.

Hoggleludo · 27/03/2020 16:26

That's a lot of practising. 3 times a day?

Also you realise you can't use that recording? I'm sure the U.K. is a 2 party country. You can record them. But it's not admissible? I'm happy to be told otherwise though.

MsMD · 27/03/2020 16:28

@Devlesko I pray you weren't ridiculous enough to live in a flat if you're going to make that much noise for that long.

Devlesko · 27/03/2020 16:28

Gosh, I'm glad our neighbors are better than most on here. We have every saxophone from soprinino to bass, clarinets, flutes, piccolo, and never a complaint from anyone.
Are you able to move OP, your neighbours sound dreadful.

Whatsmyname26 · 27/03/2020 16:29

Saxophone 3 times a day in a flat - yes yabu!

whiplashy · 27/03/2020 16:30

you can’t think 90mins of saxophone a day is reasonable?! 30 wouldn’t be reasonable

Daisiest · 27/03/2020 16:30

I'd be going absolutely nuclear if my neighbour did that.

I think it's too selfish tbh, and don't know what the solution is

AnneJeanne · 27/03/2020 16:32

No, OP, I would be honest and to resolve the issue. Although tbh, you seem incredibly defensive and perhaps your neighbours are intimidated by you.

Hoggleludo · 27/03/2020 16:32

I've been a grade 8 flute since I was 18.

Even I don't practise that much

OhCaptain · 27/03/2020 16:34

If you need lessons we're taking on, btw.

How will you teach in isolation?!

Did you live in a house or a flat when all this playing was happening?

cabbageking · 27/03/2020 16:37

I would argue that if the neighbour has to lie about a complaint. They are either scared of you or very timid.

If you are playing the sax then this is noise.

It isn't vexatious if you are playing 90 mins each day and it is causing a problem.

slashlover · 27/03/2020 16:38

Where do you live that the council are phoning people about noise complaints, ours is email only at the moment and you can wait a few days for an answer.

Also, why are you going to speak to your neighbour? Are you keeping 2m away from them?

Smellbellina · 27/03/2020 16:39

This thread is oddly amusing!

Devlesko · 27/03/2020 16:41

He teaches on Skype is a leader in his field. People all over the world have lessons from him.
Sometimes, the odd local one comes to the house.
We live in a 4 bed Edwardian semi .
dd is usually at specialist music school though in soundproofed practice rooms, but has been home since start of March.

OP, Dh says put a towel down your bell and play into your wardrobe of clothes, they both said don't give up.
I hope you have a wardrobe, or you are doomed.
The towel should do the trick.

HugoSpritz · 27/03/2020 16:42

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Carrie7469 · 27/03/2020 16:43

Playing the saxophone in a flat is beyond unreasonable. Try to have some consideration

LonginesPrime · 27/03/2020 16:47

Surely the only solution is to ask your neighbour to bear with?

Whatisthisfuckery · 27/03/2020 16:56

The towel is a good idea, thanks, and yes, I do have a wardrobe.

I don’t think my neighbour is afraid of me, he speaks to me about other stuff. There was a water leak under my floor, nothing to do with me, we worked together to get that sorted as the letting agent and landlord aren’t great.

As for the people who don’t believe me about what the council said, you can call Joe from Oxford City Council if you don’t believe me.

I will however sort out a good time with my neighbour if he doesn’t mind me having 30 minutes per day.

OP posts:
WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 27/03/2020 16:58

This thread is worth reading just for this "Dh says put a towel down your bell and play into your wardrobe of clothes"

For some reason I am really laughing at it (actually out loud but I didn't spit any tea over my keyboard WinkGrin)

OP, if I lived downstairs from your sax playing shenanigans and you recorded me every time I spoke to you, I would also be going down the formal route!

Hasn't the fact that so many people are saying stop playing your sax so much in a flat FFS given you any insight into how annoying your behaviour would be to so many people? "Practising" is going to be repetitive, too. God, you would drive me bonkers in a lockdown situation, have some thought for others.

HavelockVetinari · 27/03/2020 16:59

This is comedy gold! A beginner saxophone player in a flat! Grin