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What can I do about vexatious noise complaints?

147 replies

Whatisthisfuckery · 27/03/2020 14:08

I’ll try to be as brief as possible but please bear with.

My downstairs neighbours have been making vexatious noise complaints about me to the council.

Background

Last year a notice appeared in our hallway asking residents to please be mindful of noise. I went down to speak to my downstairs neighbour to make sure it wasn’t anything I was doing that was causing the noise. They said, yes, it was they who’d put it up, and that there was a tumble drier making a noise. I said it was probably mine and we agreed a time when it would be switched off in the evening. I recorded the conversation and stuck to the agreement on the couple of days each week that I used my drier.

Fast forward a couple of months and I get a knock on my door from the council. Apparently a noise complaint was made about me using a tumble drier late at night every night. I told them that this wasn’t the case, I certainly don’t use it every night and that I had stuck to the agreement made about when it should go off. They seemed happy enough and went away. I then went down to talk to the neighbour again to ask them why they’d made a complaint when we’d agreed and I’d stuck to it. They said they hadn’t made a complaint to the council they’d complained to the letting agent and it was ages ago. Again I recorded it on my phone. I was a bit confused but let it drop but I told them as before that if they had an issue to please come and discuss it with me.

Fast forward to today and I get a telephone call from the council again. Another noise complaint has been made about me, this time about me playing a musical instrument 8constantly* between the hours of 10am and 6pm. Well yes, I do play the saxophone, but I practice for about 30 minutes up to three times a day, certainly only in the day and not every day. I told the council man this and he seemed happy enough and said they’d close. I mentioned the previous complaint and he wasn’t aware of it.

I went down to speak to my neighbour again, again I recorded it on my phone. They said they didn’t make an official complaint but that the council had called them today to ask whether their previous noise complaint about the tumble drier had been resolved. This is the previous complaint they denied making remember. they said they only mentioned the saxophone in passing but it definitely wasn’t an official complaint, and that the council had definitely only called today to ask about the previous complaint they’d made. During the conversation neighbour went from them saying they told the council I play a saxophone sometimes to them telling the council I play it constantly. I knew they were lying but again reminded them that if there was a problem, come and speak to me.

I called the council man back and asked if the council would call and ask a complainant about a previous complaint. he said that they definitely would not unless a notice had been served. He couldn’t confirm who had made the complaint but he checked back about the last complaint and said it was closed 5 days after it was made with no further action, in fact it was nowhere near the threshold for further action. He said he had called the complainant about the current complaint about the saxophone today and that the complaint had been lodged last friday. I asked if there was any channel I could go through to report vexatious complaints and he said that the only way was to report it to the police for harassment.

So neighbour is telling big fat porkies and I have it on recording. They are making vexatious complaints about me, for what reason I don’t know. I called 101 but was told it’s not a police matter, so no help there.

What can I do about this? It’s making me feel unwelcome, stressed and fearful in my own home.

OP posts:
OhCaptain · 27/03/2020 15:49

Are you going to stop playing? Because if not, what sort of amicable arrangement can be struck?

A designated time listening to someone learn the saxophone is still going to drive them bananas! And it’s not like they can escape...

Whatisthisfuckery · 27/03/2020 15:49

Who would do that much washing anyway?

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Whatisthisfuckery · 27/03/2020 15:51

I will go and have a word with my neighbour tomorrow. He says he graduated from a music school so I’m sure he understands that one has to practice an instrument.

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nancy75 · 27/03/2020 15:54

They probably just don’t want a confrontation, you don’t seem able to see that you could possibly be wrong

adaline · 27/03/2020 15:54

I can't believe you think 90 minutes of Saxophone a day is acceptable, especially during lockdown when everyone is stuck home 24/7. Who cares whether it's "technically allowed" or not!

It's also technically acceptable to make building noise for 10 hours a day, five days a week, but that doesn't mean it's pleasant to live with.

nancy75 · 27/03/2020 15:55

And just because he went to music school doesn’t mean he’s happy to listen to your noise 3 times a day

Biscusting · 27/03/2020 15:56

If you were my neighbor, i’d not mind. Would mean I would feel less guilty about the noise I’m making 😄

NailsNeedDoing · 27/03/2020 16:01

90 minutes a day of beginner saxophone practice? In a block of flats?

Yeah, you need to stop doing that. No wonder your poor neighbours are getting vexed.

Whatisthisfuckery · 27/03/2020 16:01

Why are people saying I want a confrontation? All I’ve ever wanted is to get along and sort things out as they arise. Is that not considered reasonable anymore? And why is it people are accusing me of not being reasonable. I’ve said I’ll go and talk to him to try and agree a time when it’s ok for me to practice. Fucking hell, I think there’s some unreasonableness on this thread, and it’s not coming from me. I’m glad I’m not neighbours with some of you tbh. To think there’s so many people who don’t communicate with those who live around them.

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GetOffTheTableMabel · 27/03/2020 16:02

The complaint sounds justified, not vexatious.

MaidenMotherCrone · 27/03/2020 16:03

How can you think having to listen to someone else tooting away on a saxophone 3 times a day is ok?

It just isn't. I'm surprised you haven't had it shoved up your bottom so you toot with every step you take.

Thank you though. This post makes my neighbour banging on drums everyday not seem so bad.

Saxophone! Jesus wept!

OhCaptain · 27/03/2020 16:04

Why can’t you give your practice a rest while people are trapped in their homes with no escape?

It’s not essential is it?

MaidenMotherCrone · 27/03/2020 16:04

We are all glad you are not our neighbour.

HarrietTheShy · 27/03/2020 16:06

There is no way the council noise and nuisance team told you two hours of musical instrument is fine and left it at that.

heartsonacake · 27/03/2020 16:07

YABVU to play the saxophone for up to 2 hours a day in normal circumstances as it is, but even more so now everyone’s cooped up.

I would be making regular complaints about that until it was sorted.

I8toys · 27/03/2020 16:07

Especially now you need to be more considerate and understanding. You just want to feel persecuted.

Whatisthisfuckery · 27/03/2020 16:07

Anyway, thank you to the PPs who have made good suggestions. I will have a chat to my neighbour tomorrow to see if there’s a satisfactory agreement we can come to.

To the PPs suggesting I have my saxophone shoved up my arse, yeah, crack on being thoroughly lovely people.

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OhCaptain · 27/03/2020 16:09

But if your neighbour asks you to stop, will you stop?

I mean, is it vital that you practice amateur saxophone playing in the middle of a lockdown?

LadyLindaT · 27/03/2020 16:09

Someone in the next street behind me practises the saxophone.
Believe me, the noise really carries, and that's from 2 big gardens away!
Even if it were John Coltrane, I would start to mind, especially during this lockdown.
We all really need to be more considerate of each other at the moment.

adaline · 27/03/2020 16:11

Why are people saying I want a confrontation?

Because you must know playing the saxophone is incredibly intrusive and disruptive. You also know people are stuck home all day at the moment and still thing playing it for upto 90 minutes a day is acceptable!

Bonkers.

TakeMeBackToLondis · 27/03/2020 16:13

You're entitled to do it, doesn't mean you should.

Consideration for the others in your building is crucial at the minute.
Listening to someone practicing basic sax for 30mins, 3 times a day, would drive me to insanity.

It's not fair OP.
Unless there's a way you can properly soundproof an area of your flat, you need to limit your sessions as much as possible.

Also, do your neighbours know you're recording the conversations?
I'd refrain from doing that.

MediocreOmens · 27/03/2020 16:13

Is there nothing in your lease about musical instruments? It’s a pretty standard clause in rental and leasehold contracts. I would probably complain about your noise too to be honest. Also you now say you aren’t using the tumble drier overnight but if you were previously I would agree that’s not on either. I don’t think these noise complaints are vexatious at all.

Also if you haven’t got their permission please stop recording people, that’s really not on!

Bluntness100 · 27/03/2020 16:15

Oh dear, you’re a learner too.

Op did you tell him you were recording him? It’s really not normal to record your conversations with your neighbour.

We all have occassional issues with our neighbours that need discussing, unless there is significant issues, no one records conversations.

Do you record other people? And do you do it with their knowledge?

AdoptAdaptImprove · 27/03/2020 16:17

My boyfriend, previously a semipro, and I lived in a middle floor flat for three years and during that time he swapped the sax for the flute and only played in the kitchen which was in line with the other flats’ kitchens, and played only a couple times a week, just enough to keep his hand in.

It wasn’t till we’d moved to a house with rooms between us and next door that the sax came out again, and then only once a day max. You just have to accept that it’s a very big sound and you need to be neighbourly. He’s very careful even now about playing when people are out in gardens, even though we’re now in a well-spaced detached.

MrsA2015 · 27/03/2020 16:18

You sound like an irritating neighbor. Pack the saxophone in it’s ridiculous

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