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What can I do about vexatious noise complaints?

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Whatisthisfuckery · 27/03/2020 14:08

I’ll try to be as brief as possible but please bear with.

My downstairs neighbours have been making vexatious noise complaints about me to the council.

Background

Last year a notice appeared in our hallway asking residents to please be mindful of noise. I went down to speak to my downstairs neighbour to make sure it wasn’t anything I was doing that was causing the noise. They said, yes, it was they who’d put it up, and that there was a tumble drier making a noise. I said it was probably mine and we agreed a time when it would be switched off in the evening. I recorded the conversation and stuck to the agreement on the couple of days each week that I used my drier.

Fast forward a couple of months and I get a knock on my door from the council. Apparently a noise complaint was made about me using a tumble drier late at night every night. I told them that this wasn’t the case, I certainly don’t use it every night and that I had stuck to the agreement made about when it should go off. They seemed happy enough and went away. I then went down to talk to the neighbour again to ask them why they’d made a complaint when we’d agreed and I’d stuck to it. They said they hadn’t made a complaint to the council they’d complained to the letting agent and it was ages ago. Again I recorded it on my phone. I was a bit confused but let it drop but I told them as before that if they had an issue to please come and discuss it with me.

Fast forward to today and I get a telephone call from the council again. Another noise complaint has been made about me, this time about me playing a musical instrument 8constantly* between the hours of 10am and 6pm. Well yes, I do play the saxophone, but I practice for about 30 minutes up to three times a day, certainly only in the day and not every day. I told the council man this and he seemed happy enough and said they’d close. I mentioned the previous complaint and he wasn’t aware of it.

I went down to speak to my neighbour again, again I recorded it on my phone. They said they didn’t make an official complaint but that the council had called them today to ask whether their previous noise complaint about the tumble drier had been resolved. This is the previous complaint they denied making remember. they said they only mentioned the saxophone in passing but it definitely wasn’t an official complaint, and that the council had definitely only called today to ask about the previous complaint they’d made. During the conversation neighbour went from them saying they told the council I play a saxophone sometimes to them telling the council I play it constantly. I knew they were lying but again reminded them that if there was a problem, come and speak to me.

I called the council man back and asked if the council would call and ask a complainant about a previous complaint. he said that they definitely would not unless a notice had been served. He couldn’t confirm who had made the complaint but he checked back about the last complaint and said it was closed 5 days after it was made with no further action, in fact it was nowhere near the threshold for further action. He said he had called the complainant about the current complaint about the saxophone today and that the complaint had been lodged last friday. I asked if there was any channel I could go through to report vexatious complaints and he said that the only way was to report it to the police for harassment.

So neighbour is telling big fat porkies and I have it on recording. They are making vexatious complaints about me, for what reason I don’t know. I called 101 but was told it’s not a police matter, so no help there.

What can I do about this? It’s making me feel unwelcome, stressed and fearful in my own home.

OP posts:
WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 27/03/2020 17:00

This reminded me that years ago, when my DC were at primary school, the school gave them all recorders to learn to play at home.

I think I had blocked that memory out until today

Purpleartichoke · 27/03/2020 17:03

I’m learning an instrument too. It’s a great way to keep an aging brain active and engaged. I have the benefit of living semi-rurally in a detached home.

Years ago I tried to pick up an instrument as an adult and lived in a dense urban area. Worrying about subjecting my neighbors to my rudimentary talents took all the joy out of the experience and I quit.

You might want to get acoustic tiles for one room in your home. That combined with heavy rugs would help muffle the saxophone sound.

Gazelda · 27/03/2020 17:06

I'd complain too if I wasn't able to feel relaxed in my home for 90 mins each day.
And if it prevented me from being able to work as many of us are doing from home at the moment.
And I'd be bloody fuming if I discovered that my conversations were being recorded without my knowledge.

OP, it's you that is the unreasonable neighbour.

But you sound nice, and willing to negotiate a compromise. But please, be the one who apologises and concedes your behaviour has been disruptive. Don't give him the impression that you feel the victim of vexatious complaints. His complaints are not vexatious, they are very legitimate.

Devlesko · 27/03/2020 17:07

Don't bother with the mute, they don't work. Mutes are for brass instruments. Not reed, woodwind.
The towel should do the trick, hopefully.

adaline · 27/03/2020 17:10

As for the people who don’t believe me about what the council said, you can call Joe from Oxford City Council if you don’t believe me.

You're allowed to do lots of things, doesn't stop them from being as irritating as fuck!

Solomangrundy · 27/03/2020 17:11

A saxophone?
3 times a day?
In a flat?
Where a tumble dryer causes issues?

You’re lucky all they’ve done is complain...

I’d be loading a fecking gun...

Come on... we’re all forced to stay at home for now, listening to one another’s noises that we perhaps wouldn’t hear if we were at work, or out and about - but you are being ridiculous... have a bloody heart!!

noonlineshopping · 27/03/2020 17:22

I'm a musician. I used to live in a semi detached house with very thin walls. My neighbours told me they could hear me playing but liked it.
Even so I used to peek out the window and try to only practise when I knew they were out.
Right now that would be never. So I would not be playing hardly ever. I am currently teaching online piano lessons since the CV commenced and I stick to only doing the lesson and no practise for me, I personally don't have to play much in a lesson. I'd hate to think that someone else was being so disturbed by my playing. I'd suggest packing up the saxophone until a more suitable time and thinking of moving when you can. The Sax is a really loud instrument.
Maybe if you just play discuss a once a day time that's limited to a set amount of time best for your neighbours.

viques · 27/03/2020 17:23

I love the way OP says they really wouldn't mind if someone else in the building was playing a musical instrument badly for an hour and a half a day.

Point is OP, they aren't. You are.

It's easy to be magnanimous when you don't actually have to be.

SofieSarah · 27/03/2020 17:27

The small mute stuck in the bell won’t work. A towel isn’t a perfect solution either, as it can affect your lower notes. If you have the money, you could try this:
www.sax.co.uk/esax-whisper-mute-for-alto-saxophone.ir

Hilda40 · 27/03/2020 17:34

Can you play a saxophone in A flat?

LellyMcKelly · 27/03/2020 17:39

A grade 2 saxophone playing for an hour and a half a day? Why not get a set of bagpipes and be done with it? Your poor neighbours. They’re probably at their wit’s end.

mencken · 27/03/2020 17:39

a perfect example of someone we all hope is not our neighbour. Note the response when it was suggested that she might be at fault.

Karma is real, people. Patience.

Bluntness100 · 27/03/2020 17:43

I’m fairly sure joe from oxford city council is thinking thank fuck I don’t live below a grade 2 sax player who blasts it out three times a day for ninety mins, I’m fairly sure he’d change his tune,,,pun intended.

Op sorry, this is one of those threads where people would love to hear your neighbours side and think their complaints are probably righteous.

But you need to stop recording them, I’m not even sure that’s legal without their permission and is just odd.

Lllot5 · 27/03/2020 17:59

@Hilda40 you are naughty. 😀
This would drive me bonkers. Maybe they are feeling a bit intimidated by you keep going down knocking too. I wouldn’t like to be recorded either.

Witchend · 27/03/2020 18:25

Grade 2 sax for 90 minutes a day? I guess there isn't a patio near or your neighbours would have joined forces to place you or it under.
Have you thought of gardening instead? You can use a sax as an unusual plant pot, which is a far better use for one unless you live in the antarctic.

steppemum · 27/03/2020 18:38

please, no noise that can be heard outside your property.

this is so ridiculous, it would mean most people in flats would need to just lie on the floor and not move.

Laurendelight · 27/03/2020 18:44

I lived with a violinist for the Royal philharmonic orchestra and her playing was amazing. I had to move out as in the end it becomes noise you don’t want to hear for hours on end. Like another poster said you don’t know when it’s finished.

dontdisturbmenow · 27/03/2020 18:46

Playing the saxophone in a flat is beyond unreasonable. Try to have some consideration
This. My mum decided to try the saxophone when I was a teenager. We lived in a large house. OMG the blood awful sound it makes when you first start! It's not about the loudness, it's the most on your nerve sound I've ever heard. Thankfully she decided to give it up soon enough.

When did you start playing? I feel so sorry for your neighbour, I really can't imagine worse neighbour nightmare. It should be strictly forbidden when living in flats. Your poor poor neighbour.

Mammyofasuperbaby · 27/03/2020 18:57

There are 2 things you can do op that will help both you and your neighbours.

  1. Buy a practice muffler for your sax. My dp is a pro drummer and he has practice pads for his drums in the house and honestly you can't even hear him at all and neither can the neighbours.
  2. Get a rubber mat for your dryer. It will dampen the sounds and make it barely audible downstairs.
You live in a flat therefore you need to reduce noise to a minimum
Mammyofasuperbaby · 27/03/2020 19:00

You can get each item for less than £20 on amazon

Piglet89 · 27/03/2020 19:04

Or does your playing the sax sound like a tumble drier?

Piglet89 · 27/03/2020 19:06

@Hilda40 DYING LAUGHING.

Cohle · 27/03/2020 19:16

Fucking hell, grade two (so not very good) saxophone for an hour and a half a day?

You're neighbour is probably avoiding speaking to you about it because he's worried he'd stab you if he spoke to you directly Grin

Seriously, I think you need to recognise just how disruptive your practice must be and that your neighbour may well feel anxious or afraid of addressing it with you directly. Your insistence on recording conversations may well be coming across as intimidating or confrontational.

CrocodileFrock · 27/03/2020 19:17

"This thread is worth reading just for this "Dh says put a towel down your bell and play into your wardrobe of clothes"

And "I hope you have a wardrobe, or you are doomed." is pure MN gold! :o