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What can I do about vexatious noise complaints?

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Whatisthisfuckery · 27/03/2020 14:08

I’ll try to be as brief as possible but please bear with.

My downstairs neighbours have been making vexatious noise complaints about me to the council.

Background

Last year a notice appeared in our hallway asking residents to please be mindful of noise. I went down to speak to my downstairs neighbour to make sure it wasn’t anything I was doing that was causing the noise. They said, yes, it was they who’d put it up, and that there was a tumble drier making a noise. I said it was probably mine and we agreed a time when it would be switched off in the evening. I recorded the conversation and stuck to the agreement on the couple of days each week that I used my drier.

Fast forward a couple of months and I get a knock on my door from the council. Apparently a noise complaint was made about me using a tumble drier late at night every night. I told them that this wasn’t the case, I certainly don’t use it every night and that I had stuck to the agreement made about when it should go off. They seemed happy enough and went away. I then went down to talk to the neighbour again to ask them why they’d made a complaint when we’d agreed and I’d stuck to it. They said they hadn’t made a complaint to the council they’d complained to the letting agent and it was ages ago. Again I recorded it on my phone. I was a bit confused but let it drop but I told them as before that if they had an issue to please come and discuss it with me.

Fast forward to today and I get a telephone call from the council again. Another noise complaint has been made about me, this time about me playing a musical instrument 8constantly* between the hours of 10am and 6pm. Well yes, I do play the saxophone, but I practice for about 30 minutes up to three times a day, certainly only in the day and not every day. I told the council man this and he seemed happy enough and said they’d close. I mentioned the previous complaint and he wasn’t aware of it.

I went down to speak to my neighbour again, again I recorded it on my phone. They said they didn’t make an official complaint but that the council had called them today to ask whether their previous noise complaint about the tumble drier had been resolved. This is the previous complaint they denied making remember. they said they only mentioned the saxophone in passing but it definitely wasn’t an official complaint, and that the council had definitely only called today to ask about the previous complaint they’d made. During the conversation neighbour went from them saying they told the council I play a saxophone sometimes to them telling the council I play it constantly. I knew they were lying but again reminded them that if there was a problem, come and speak to me.

I called the council man back and asked if the council would call and ask a complainant about a previous complaint. he said that they definitely would not unless a notice had been served. He couldn’t confirm who had made the complaint but he checked back about the last complaint and said it was closed 5 days after it was made with no further action, in fact it was nowhere near the threshold for further action. He said he had called the complainant about the current complaint about the saxophone today and that the complaint had been lodged last friday. I asked if there was any channel I could go through to report vexatious complaints and he said that the only way was to report it to the police for harassment.

So neighbour is telling big fat porkies and I have it on recording. They are making vexatious complaints about me, for what reason I don’t know. I called 101 but was told it’s not a police matter, so no help there.

What can I do about this? It’s making me feel unwelcome, stressed and fearful in my own home.

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I8toys · 27/03/2020 15:17

I think if you did the saxophone in one session that would be better as they will know its over and done for the day. Noise is psychologically damaging and they will be waiting for it to start the second and then the third time throughout the day.

Whatisthisfuckery · 27/03/2020 15:20

There was no evidence provided to substantiate the complaint according to the man who spoke to me. There was only one complaint, and as this neighbour said he’s spoken to the council this morning, and the council man said he had spoken to the complainant then it’s pretty obvious, really. I quite friendly with one neighbour, the other is not exactly backwards in coming forwards if he has an issue although he’s never had an issue with me.

And no, to those who are asking, I wouldn’t have any problem with a neighbour playing a musical instrument for 90 minutes a day as long as it wasn’t at some ungodly hour.

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AgeLikeWine · 27/03/2020 15:22

OK, apologies if you’re genuine OP.

Whatisthisfuckery · 27/03/2020 15:23

And, he could have come and spoke to me. I’ve always been polite, I even went down after he’d posted the notice to resolve any noise issues that I was responsible for.

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adaline · 27/03/2020 15:23

You play the saxophone in a flat for 90 minutes a day? And you think that's acceptable?

What time are you playing it?

Whatisthisfuckery · 27/03/2020 15:25

I will however decide an agreed time with him when I can play. I’m not looking for beef with my neighbours, but if they don’t communicate then how do I know they have a problem? I can’t read minds.

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Whatisthisfuckery · 27/03/2020 15:27

I have a go in a morning, about 10:30, then again in the afternoon about 2:30, and occasionally about 4:30. Not every day though.

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BirthdayCakes · 27/03/2020 15:28

I've never been one to actually laugh out loud but

Well yes, I do play the saxophone, but I practice for about 30 minutes up to three times a day

finally did it.

Whatisthisfuckery · 27/03/2020 15:29

Playing the saxophone isn’t something you can do for hours on end if you’re just learning. Your embouchure gets tired after a while. I’m grade 2 standard so not terrible but short practice sessions are more comfortable and fit in with other things I have to do in the day. I don’t think I’m being U.

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BobbinThreadbare123 · 27/03/2020 15:29

The tumble dryer is neither here nor there, but the three lots of saxophone is the deal breaker.

Whatisthisfuckery · 27/03/2020 15:30

BirthdayCake Why is that funny?

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Casualbride · 27/03/2020 15:31

I would go crackers if I had to to anyone else’s music practice for 90 mins a day. Does it have to be that much op? Would 30 mins a day not be ok?

nancy75 · 27/03/2020 15:31

At the moment, when most of us are stuck inside all day, can you really not imagine how annoying your noisy instrument might be?
I have a noisy neighbour, it’s absolutely miserable for me having to put up with their noise - especially now that it’s constant
Just because you’re allowed to play it, doesn’t mean you should

OhCaptain · 27/03/2020 15:31

Fuck sake! Did you decide to take up saxophone when you were already living in a flat upstairs from other people!

raffle · 27/03/2020 15:33

I can’t imagine being cooped up like we are now, waiting and knowing that at any second a 30 minute saxophone session might start Sad

fiddlethefiddles · 27/03/2020 15:33

The issue is more about you being selfish. Why are you so inconsiderate ?

Applejaxx · 27/03/2020 15:33

The tumble dryer complaints are petty, but the saxophone isn't. That would drive anyone mad. Do you really need to practice three times a day?

notangelinajolie · 27/03/2020 15:34

Sorry OP you lost me at saxophone.

LolaSmiles · 27/03/2020 15:34

It's reasonable to learn an instrument, as long as it's not played at anti social hours.

Sometimes I wonder about people who live in flats but complain about others living their lives.

What I would say is given the semi lockdown at the moment is to cut it down on the saxophone though. It's absolutely possible to learn an instrument without playing 3 times a day.

AnneJeanne · 27/03/2020 15:36

I’d complain about you too. There are many things your neighbours can’t do when you’re playing the sax. Nap. Sit in their gardens. Think straight. Any type of concentration really. Incredibly rude.

BillieEilish · 27/03/2020 15:41

Grade two sax?
3 times a day?
Abysmal.

I took my upstairs neighbour to court for playing the flute for 2 hours a day. Scales over and over again, it prevented my DD from doing homework, it affected every room in my flat. They would not agree to a certain time. They were nnot reasonable.

As PP's have mentioned, you never know if it is finished or not. Constantly on edge.

Horrendous.

Grade 2 sax means you must really not be good at all, sorry. It must be awful. I imagine other neighbours have complained. Even if you were good, if it is practice it is horrible to listen to the repetition over and over and over...

HTH.

Soontobe60 · 27/03/2020 15:41

I'd hate it if my neighbour were practicing a very loud instrument three times a day. The fact that you feel it's ok to confront someone about complaints they have made about you and RECORD the conversation is quite threatening in itself. They haven't made vexatious complaints, you've agreed the tumble drier was on at night, and you do play the sax several times throughout the day. YABVU

Whatisthisfuckery · 27/03/2020 15:45

AnneJeanne Would you complain about, then deny that you’d complained and instead say you’d mentioned it but it’s not really a problem, which is what my neighbour did, or would you come to my front door, push my buzzer and have a word with your neighbour who has only ever been polite and sought to amicably resolve problems?

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AlphaIndigo · 27/03/2020 15:45

Just because you are technically allowed to play up to 2 hours of music a day or doesn't mean you should. It's incredibly inconsiderate.

Whatisthisfuckery · 27/03/2020 15:48

Soontobe60 read the OP. The tumble was agreed and acted on two months before the complaint was made. Whatever they were hearing, a tumble drier on constantly all day and all night every day, was nothing to do with me.

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