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Schools reopening before May half term?

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Manchestertimes · 26/03/2020 00:45

What's everyone's opinion on when the schools will reopen? I think they will reopen a few weeks after Easter.

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myself2020 · 08/04/2020 14:29

Loads of kids will miss out massively. the more deprived and badly managed the school, the more they will miss out. but they are already doing that. Looking at many if my friends kids’ schools, most send a pack of paper home that requires engaged parents to do with the kids.
a huge group of children will get no education whatsoever while the schools are closed. some won’t get food, domestic violence will increase drastically.
its shit all around, no doubt about that. yes, kids won’t get science doubt by s science teacher. but at least they’ll read a bit, write a bit, eat and the home situation is a bit relieved.

PianoTuner567 · 08/04/2020 14:45

In terms of coming out of the lockdown gradually, I feel like schools are the best first option. So the rules stay the same but a new fifth reason to leave the house is added - to go to or take a child to school. Bars, shops etc. still shut and everyone working from home, vulnerable isolate, rules stay the same the rest of the time. And see how it goes.

I mean, what other ways are there to end the lockdown? What else could you ‘open’ first? I can’t see it being all at once - “from Monday, off you go, we’re all back to normal”!

FrippEnos · 08/04/2020 14:51

myself2020

It sounds like what you want is basically childcare, dressed up as a return to normal.

From experience very few schools could take back one full year and be able to adequately protect them, their families and staff.

myself2020 · 08/04/2020 15:00

I want kids out of danger and with a chance to get at least some education. School as normal won’t run for a while, and a lost year will be a disaster for many.
i don’t think the approach “if we can’t run as normal, we don’t run at all” is going to benefit anybody

FrippEnos · 08/04/2020 15:04

But your suggestions don't keep them out of danger and you haven't put forward a suggestion that will work.

Appuskidu · 08/04/2020 15:20

I mean, what other ways are there to end the lockdown?

In the order things were closed.

So, people will be allowed out in the streets, shops will begin opening, some businesses will begin to restart, reduction of social distancing.

Schools closing was one of the first things to happen-after washing your hands.

Once you open schools, social distancing is over. Why would they try that first?

StrawberryBlondeStar · 08/04/2020 15:26

@Appuskidu but schools shut on Friday and we are in lockdown by the Tuesday I don’t think we can compare what went on before. If you allow people out surely everyone one will meet up with friends (think Mothers Day weekend pictures)? Parents will meet up for play dates/swap childcare to assist with work. Surely school opening would be a more easily controlled variable to open and close if needed?

PianoTuner567 · 08/04/2020 15:29

people will be allowed out in the streets, shops will begin opening, some businesses will begin to restart

I don’t disagree that this is also a way to do it. But the question is, can you do it when the schools are still shut? Because it requires people going to work and so who will look after their children?

Appuskidu · 08/04/2020 15:36

Surely school opening would be a more easily controlled variable to open and close if needed?

Opening schools isn’t remotely controlled though.

There will be 600 odd parents at primary schools-walking shoulder to shoulder along the road, standing in the playground, sharing germs with each other and every member of schools staff. The children will be sitting on carpets, at tables together, touching handles, coughing on hands/each other.

In secondaries, there will be 1/2000 teens all jammed on public buses and trains with commuters, walking up the road together, shuffling along corridors, breathing on each other, waiting at bus stops with other school children, commuters and taking those germs back to their families. Roads will be jam packed with cars, needing petrol, having accidents, reading down.

Nothing about opening schools is controlled.

Schools open and social distancing is ended.

optimisticpessimist01 · 08/04/2020 15:38

I personally think we'll be back in June/July. Others think September. For those saying cancel the Summer holidays: you cannot do that. Holidays are fixed and people plan their life around schools being shut then. Students will still get their Summer holidays

StrawberryBlondeStar · 08/04/2020 15:43

@Appskidu do you think schools not reopen till we have a vaccine?

Appuskidu · 08/04/2020 15:48

This thread is about schools returning before May half term. I think that is not going to happen, mainly because of staffing.

Whilst the vulnerable group are told that they need to SI for 12 week, we cannot open my school-I would imagine many other were similar-we didn’t have enough staff.

I’m not saying we have to wait til there is a vaccine but we need those members of staff back to run our school safely so opening before that 12 weeks is up, won’t work. If the government get to the end of that and say it’s fine for those people to return to work-we will have enough people.

middleager · 08/04/2020 15:48

OK. My one child goes to school in the heart of Birmingham, which as of today topped the most infected areas for deaths snd cases ahead of London.

University Hospitals Birmingham has the most deaths of all trusts in England

It has reported 263 so far of the UK's 6,159, followed by several London trusts

Birmingham has also consistently had the highest number of coronavirus cases
It has almost 1,400 of the UK's total 55,242, more than most London boroughs

Meanwhile, Rutland has just 6 cases.

Maybe those rushing to get back, don't live in highly infected areas.

Maybe you're on the Cornwall thread patting yourself on the back as numbers are low because you all adhered to social distancing (clue: you aren't extra good, you just happen to live in a less densley populated area with no ethnic diversity and intergenerational living).

My son's school is in the centre of a very built up area, back to back terraces and shops with intergenerational living.

So no, I won't be sending him back at this rate.

scaryreading · 08/04/2020 15:52

Opening schools prematurely is bad news. There are always horrible viruses in these environments around let alone this deadly one.

Hygiene is hard to control and distancing

Fluffybutter · 08/04/2020 15:58

From what I heard from the chief medical examiner at work the peak is not expected till end of April and then we’ll still be in lockdown 3-6 weeks after that depending on the infection rate so i think we’re looking at June earliest .
If that’s the case maybe they could let them off for summer later so they can atleast go back for month of July and then be off aug-early sep

StrawberryBlondeStar · 08/04/2020 15:59

@middleager I’m in the SE commuter town to London which has been badly hit. People are hoping schools can go back here because they are struggling to work and are worried about losing their livelihoods. I don’t think anyone is wanting to rush back, but a lot are thinking they will lose their jobs if business reopen, but not schools and nurseries, as there will be nowhere for their children to go.

The ones who took their children out of school earlier then 20/3 tended to be the homes with a SAHP. I don’t know anyone who did this with 2 working parents.

middleager · 08/04/2020 16:08

I work and I didn't take my children out early, but those figures are sobering.
Birmingham seems to be galloping ahead of everywhere now.

I really don't know what the solution is as DH works in the city centre too.

LondonJax · 08/04/2020 16:32

The biggest problem is this issue of social distancing. As I said on a different thread and as many have said here, you can't do social distancing in schools. Yes, the kids seem to not get Covid 19 as badly as adults (although that's not a given, more children are falling victim to it now). But a school doesn't run on children alone. There are teachers and support staff involved, some of whom are shielding themselves or others. Your child may bring back Covid 19 into your household so adults there will be infected. If teachers become ill, classroom sizes will increase, not decrease.

My school is 2000 plus pupils strong - we have 40 minutes lunch where all of those children need to be fed. Can you imagine trying to keep some sort of social distancing in that? So social distancing ends. Therefore, the next question is, what's the point of having the supermarkets etc having the 2 metre markers at that point? There's not much point in letting your kids become, at best, carriers and then standing in a queue at Tesco for 40 minutes. Then to be served by someone who may also have a child who's bringing it home because they're in a class of 40 plus kids rather than the hubs many key workers children are in at present where they can do social distancing!

And we've had 9 bus drivers die in London and more across the country. What will the unions say to school buses under those circumstances? Any one spoken to them? Our double decker school buses are rammed and we're only one of four schools in the area to use them.

There are a lot of interlocking questions that need to be answered before the schools go back. Most schools are very good at working these out - my one became a hub when this happened and managed to get three schools set up in one building for key workers with very short notice with social distancing in place. But the questions have to be answered satisfactorily first then the logistics put in place.

So my questions would be...how are the kids getting to school? Those who travel by bus need a reassurance that the buses will take them - all of them - not leave half standing there because the bus driver isn't happy with the numbers.

Are there enough teachers? Are there enough classrooms if you're doing social distancing still? What happens about break and lunch time with regard to social distancing? What about moving around the school for the secondary school age kids?

Would part time weeks work? So schools may say year 1, 3 5 in until Wednesday, year 2, 4 6 in from Wednesday afternoon until Friday so core schooling, social distancing may be able to be done. That's fine if you only have one child or more than one but all in the 'right' years. You may be lucky and get the other days as work from home or be able to find childcare to cover them. But if your family is strewn across those days - say one in year 2 and one in year 5 you have a whole week with very young children not in school. Which means parents can't work or have to do half weeks each (assume both mum and dad are together and working).

It's fine needing the kids to go back. They should, they need educating. But it's not as simple as saying 'off you go'. Even a planned return - like allowing certain years back for a few weeks, then increasing - still means some children will be left at home. How do employers and parents manage that?

There aren't easy answers to this but the questions have to be debated. It's not all on the shoulders of schools to answer them either. If the school bus drivers, for example, refuse to take the streams of kids they currently do, then the parents will have to step up to the mark. There's no-one else to do it. And employers will have to give some slack to those parents who have to get in late because of it. Or help parents find solutions if they have children across years if part time or phased returns take place. A parent isn't going to find child care in a situation where every parent is looking for it because they have primary school kids who can't be left alone.

This is going to be a concerted effort between government, councils, schools and parents along with transport organisations etc., It is not just a case of saying 'schools go back on Monday' and getting on with it (although I fear that will be what happens and it'll be chaos).

Rosebel · 08/04/2020 17:28

I'm not sure opening schools early would help. Lots of parents won't send their children back if they think it's not safe. Illness spreads through schools like wildfire anyway so not a good environment to open first.
The government said today they aren't going to relax the rules yet. I can't see them changing that before May.

Newgirls · 08/04/2020 17:53

Middleager raises a good point - cities/densely populated areas may need to be later than other areas?

Newgirls · 08/04/2020 17:54

New thought - maybe only y 10 and 12 go back in June and rest follow in sept? As they have the most pressing deadlines?

DownstairsMixUp · 08/04/2020 18:00

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Asuitablecat · 09/04/2020 18:38

Phased return.doesn't work if you teach in.secondary and have kids in primary. Who looks after them?

Appuskidu · 09/04/2020 18:52

Phased return.doesn'tk if you teach in.secondary and have kids in primary. Who looks after them?

I guess you’d then be classed as an essential key worker and they would get a key worker place at their primary.

Appuskidu · 09/04/2020 19:04

It is not just a case of saying 'schools go back on Monday' and getting on with it (although I fear that will be what happens and it'll be chaos)

Definitely.

I know Denmark (who have a much lower number of cases/deaths than us, because they locked down much stronger/earlier) are hoping to get schools back soon, but with a maximum of ten to a classroom (including teachers) to maintain social distancing.

If we did this in the U.K., it would mean schools could not have every year group in at once.

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