AIBU to despair about the amount of posters who already think the rules don’t apply to them?

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How can anyone look At what is happening around the world and still think it’s okay to go to their holiday rental/get their nails done etc?
I don’t know whether some posters are deliberately obtuse or genuinely don’t understand (not sure how much clearer Boris could have made it tbh) but I’m actually more scared now than I have been previously due to some of the posts on here tonight

We’ve got no hope have we?

are banned not banded.

*Trying to cash in, not "torahs in"

Actually the latest guidance is clear that children can move between parents homes....

STAY HOME! THE HOME YOU ARE IN RIGHT NOW!

Well put, that poster.

@Eckhart I couldn’t agree with you more.
Thankfully the government have already updated their information to include children going to their other parents house. This is not the same as meeting up with grannies and cousins for gatherings etc. However there was some real nastiness on here before it was clarified. I’m grateful because, as a key worker, I feel we are all much safer if my children can go to their Dad’s while I go to work rather than mixing in with the 20-30 people currently still going to their school. It’s just common sense. There will be much less social contact this way which is the whole point.
I do worry people will abuse the rule about going out for exercise once a day. I can see people going out much more often and pretending it’s their first time.
I also don’t see why people can’t drive a couple of miles to walk in a more isolated place than the busy pavements outside their house (this doesn’t really apply to me due to my location so I’m not saying this for my own benefit). It doesn’t make sense to me but there’s already name calling going on.

@StealthPolarBear

Yeah whatever I don't think

gatherings in public of more than two people who do not live together will be prohibited.

Was clear

People will be outside, getting food, medicines, exercise.

When you're outside you're not allowed to be in contact with more than 1 person from your own household.

Really not difficult to comprehend.

Wondering if the govt should do the next address with illustrations

@Thatnovembernight I am the same, I am a key worker, my exh is able to work from home. Makes much more sense and safer for him to look after ds whilst I am at work, rather than taking him to school

understand (not sure how much clearer Boris could have made it tbh
Well perhaps if his government hadn’t spent first weeks of the crisis preparing people for their kamikaze mitigation policy (aka herd immunity), culminating with his immensely stupid “people will die” speech on the 12th March. Do not underestimate the amount of harm both psychological and practical that ridiculous speech had. He waffled endlessly both before and after that peak moment as well.

I thought it was clear. It was spelt out in type on theTV

Leave home only for

-shopping for basic necessities
-one form of exercise a day
-any medical need/care for vulnerable person
-travelling to and from work, only if absolutely necessary

My Head has emailed last night saying she is frantically trying to put together a much reduced rota for everyone to be in based on key worker children we have, aiming for one day a week each. I still have to go in today, it’s a school, I have no choice right now.

Other than that, I have meal planned for the next week so will hopefully have no need to enter a shop.

I will have to pickup my repeat prescription at some point.

I have dusted off my old exercise bike and positioned it near the tv

I’ve made sure my older family (tho no one over 70) are all set up on the same video phone app so that we can all chat

And I live alone. So I’m trying to stay positive. I’m in the healthy low risk category but working with children so don’t want to put others at risk. I’ve got to battle my own head for loneliness, as do many others.

I think it was worded very badly. The use of “should” instead of “must” throughout was poor. Because Boris has no gravitas, even if he had said “must”, people still wouldn’t take him seriously. The advice around exercise is ridiculous. It should have been stopped completely. Also, the fines are pathetic. £30 if you’re a shop that refuses to close? Abroad, the fine is thousands for individuals going out for a jog.

This morning, every thread I've opened has something citing the reason they're special and the guidelines don't really apply to them. Mainly parents of children who "just won't"

It was similar in Italy initially. Then two days after the initial lockdown they had to tweak it and close more things off. Now, two weeks in and no, you can't walk your dog anywhere. You can take dog out, near your own home for its ablutions only. The seafronts have been blocked off, open public land has been blocked off, parks with gates have been locked, benches removed.

Because people are people and don't think it applied to them.

The main ones here have been the suddenly-sporty and parents of younger kids.

It will end up happening there as well if MN this morning is anything to go by.

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When you're outside you're not allowed to be in contact with more than 1 person from your own household."
No that's not it at all. Outside you can be in contact with more than one other person from your household. You're not allowed to be in contact with two people not from your household. Presumably you can be in contact with one, eg to pay for shopping, hand something over or conduct a transaction at a bank.

It was very clearly laid out.

But the vast majority will completely and utterly ignore it. Because it doesn't apply to them. We've already seen it.

Cam77 I think as a government they’ve been pretty good actually. They have a difficult task in a country full of stoic oldies, dog lovers and sanctimonious know it all’s.
I thought he spelt it out clearly. Don’t leave the house, one trip out only ,say no to friends that want to meet, essential workers only, 3weeks.

@daisypond
True, he has no gravitas. Someone expressed it well the other day, when he appears we all think “oh look, it’s Boris” (or, Boris Johnson - the thought of referring to him by his “stage name” as many do makes me want to puke). But does anybody think, “oh look, it’s the Prime Minister”. Nope. I’ve seens more convincing portrayals on TV.

Lol we need the PM from 24. He had gravitas in his little finger.

@Leflic
“Pretty good?” You do realize for three weeks they were pursuing a policy which would have led to 300,000+ deaths right? Hate to see what your “bad” looks like.

There's enough confused/questioning posts to prove that Boris Johnson wasn't clear enough. And there's enough nasty posters on MN to keep us in unfounded insults for a lifetime. There are grey areas which were not made clear (notably the one about whether children can move between separate parental households, but there are many others), but I've seen so much 'STFU YOU FUCKING MORON' and 'Don't come crying to the NHS when half your family are dying of cv'. MN has felt like accidentally walking into the middle of a drunken street brawl, asking for directions, and getting punched in the face.

Yes! Thanks Eckhart! I don’t get why people aren’t angry at the employers and owners of non-essential businesses who are still insisting that their non-essential staff come in and do non-essential jobs, refusing to furlough them and forcing them to choose between their safety and income. It’s much easier to abuse the poor souls who work for them and are genuinely worried that if they comply with lockdown and stay home they’ll be sacked and / or penniless.

Our situation is clear cut (SAHM, DH who can work full time from home, children who live with us, elderly parents able to care for themselves) so we can comply with no ambiguity, but that makes us lucky, not “thick twats” I posted about donating blood last night and was half expecting a mauling because it would involve leaving the house, even though the NHS ate begging people to do it...

There was lots of shitty comments last night towards people asking about builders and other trades, its now been confirmed they still go to work but practice social distancing. Not sure how thats going to work on some of our sites and there will be a drive from clients and main contractors alike to minimise financial loss. Hoping today will bring some sensible decisions.

People getting fixated on should vs must

Should - applies to rational adults who having common sense and judgement can see the need for this action and will comply for the benefit of everyone

Must - applies to children who lack the judgement and experience to make the right decision and selfish adults who don't really care about how their actions affect others.

Shame that lots of people can't manage to get their minds into the former category.

I thought he was clear enough to make sense of. In reality people should be able to use their own brains to realise all but essential travel is out of the question. Only leave your house for food, medicine or to work if you cannot work from home. If you can exercise at home, not the exact same as going to the gym but these are times where we should just make do. The problem is as a nation we have gotten used to having what we want as soon as we want it so very few people are willing 'to make do'.if you choose to go out attempt to follow the rules on social distancing.

I’m afraid the majority of the population cannot adjust their minds between should and must. That’s the problem. They think should means “if I want to”.

@Apirateslifeforme absolutely nailed it. If you are too stupid and/or selfish to have worked this out by what has been said by bojo and other politicians round the globe expect to get flamed.

It is not about finding loopholes. It is about staying at home unless you need to leave the house to physically survive or make society function at its bare minimum . The time of, I NEED my Pilates class/see my best mate/get my nails done is over. These are all privileged luxuries.

To be clear to survive you need:

Food (this is fuel to enable you to survive - it is not about scouring shops for your favourite brand of oat milk)

Medicine you need to be healthy

Some minimum exercise (to maintain health not to feed an addiction or maintain an extreme body shape)

Water (this comes out a tap)

Shelter (this is why hardware stores remain open to preserve this- they are not open so you can do some interior designing whilst you’re off), only visit if you need to get something to maintain essential functions of your home.

You do not need anything else. Not even bog roll - probably 70% of the worlds population don’t use it!

I'd say half the families just aren't getting it on my street. Family visits & play dates all as per usual. Everyone's Cousin lives round the corner or 3streets away & they're all not watching the news (looks of disbelief when I mentioned Boris & stay home).No one is distancing in corner shop & they're all still paying by cash. The only ones getting it are the large Hassidic Jewish community who had a loudhailer on a car saying stay home last night & their kids aren't playing out now .

I have a sog which my DH and I each walk once a day, so that's fine. However, my mum and sister are having to self isolate for 12 weeks and so I have been going round to walk their dog and drop food outside. Is this still okay?