AIBU to despair about the amount of posters who already think the rules don’t apply to them?

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How can anyone look At what is happening around the world and still think it’s okay to go to their holiday rental/get their nails done etc?
I don’t know whether some posters are deliberately obtuse or genuinely don’t understand (not sure how much clearer Boris could have made it tbh) but I’m actually more scared now than I have been previously due to some of the posts on here tonight

We’ve got no hope have we?

I'm no fan of Boris ordinarily but his statement was crystal clear.
We have a dog so DH & I will do one walk each per day.
That's it.

The government and those advising them have done a brilliant job, who would have thought ANY of us would be accepting any kind of restrictions just a few weeks ago, but here we all are on most threads demanding even tighter controls, complete lockdowns in some cases.

This has been handled with such care and expertise, it actually gives me real lasting hope for the future of our country.

I believe this gently gently approach is the right one, we are not Italy in the middle of a full blown crisis yet, and we are not China able to seal people away for however long.
We have to take our own bespoke approach to this, little by little to get people used to the restrictions, to ensure their support.

Yes maybe we will end up in total lockdown, but if it is carried out in this way you will be pleading for one, and if you are pleading for one then you will have no complaints when it comes. The governments needs to take the whole country with him for this to work, and work well, so those that are vulnerable are cared for (and not dying in their beds after being abandoned as they are in Spain) and we have a measured, careful approach and I am for one am very grateful for it.

I believe the final lockdown will be when we peak, to keep everyone on board with it.

He puposely did not use the word "lockdown". Combined with "should" and his 'Four Weddings and a Funeral" style bumbling, no wonder Baz from Birmingham thinks it's ok to go up the park with his mate, grabbing some cans of beer from Tesco Express en route.

Yep this CV has taught me that I live in a country of idiots! Not so Great Britain!

There's enough confused/questioning posts to prove that Boris Johnson wasn't clear enough. And there's enough nasty posters on MN to keep us in unfounded insults for a lifetime. There are grey areas which were not made clear (notably the one about whether children can move between separate parental households, but there are many others), but I've seen so much 'STFU YOU FUCKING MORON' and 'Don't come crying to the NHS when half your family are dying of cv'. MN has felt like accidentally walking into the middle of a drunken street brawl, asking for directions, and getting punched in the face.

His speech was wishy washy. I agree. I also believe he said it was ok for 2 people not of the same family to meet up (outside). But that if your friends suggest to meet up, you should say no. So many caveats to his bumbling, waffling style.

I had a friend who thought it was okay to go for a walk once a day with a family member, she lives alone. No it was not clear enough. And yes should was not the word to use.

He said SHOULD and that police have the power to enforce with fines and dispersement.

Now SHOULD only really has one basic meaning "obligation, duty, or correctness". So we are obliged to stay home, it is our duty to do so, it is corrrect to do so! Going out is incorrect. It will probably land you in trouble if you do! Using the secondary dictionary definition to justify fucking this up is just stupid!

If you watched PM questions the four weddings and a funeral bit was very clearly explained. It is hedging his bets or being inconsistent

All that pfaffing about he wasn't clear enough FFS!

I also believe he said it was ok for 2 people not of the same family to meet up (outside). No, he didn't. At least not in the re-run of his speech I just watched.. he said, repeatedly "of the same family"

Moving kids between households... what do you think the safest option is? THINK! He had one finite time slot to tell us to STAY HOME... and some seem to want him to have addressed them and their specific situation personally! REALLY???

STAY HOME! THE HOME YOU ARE IN RIGHT NOW!

I actually feel sick reading some of it. I don't understand what was so difficult for people to grasp about not leaving the house.

Donald trump constantly calls this a war against am invisible enemy, I agree. Our elderly fought a real war for us. They risked their lives and even died to keep us alive, and people are worried about losing a fucking holiday? It's selfish beyond belief.

I agree OP and share your despair. Surrounded by morons. If you think what he said doesn’t apply to you and you want to walk your dog 4 times a day, work out in the park with your friends and have play dates in the park you should be made to sign a document that says you have no recourse to hospital treatment.
Out of this whole situation, the selfish attitude of others has floored me.

Nicole sturgeon used the word lockdown.
And one of his first words when describing the new rules was 'must'. I was listening our for it

CuriousaboutSamphire he did actually prohibit meet up of more than two people not of the same family. Which suggests you can meet one friend. Clearly that isn't the case and I do think that was unclear

Actually it's in the BBC summary too

gatherings in public of more than two people who do not live together will be prohibited.

I don't think they mean that - so I can go and see my neighbour outside her house?

you should be made to sign a document that says you have no recourse to hospital treatment.

I actually agree with this. When we are likely to get to a point where they can't treat everyone, people who disregard the rules should be the ones who don't get treatment. Not those who do as they've been told.

I took the dog out at 6 am for a walk round the block - about ten minutes - in that time I saw one other dog walker at a distance - but I could hear the traffic on the bypass - that is our exercise for the day. I thought Boris laid it on the line for anyone who is not hard of thinking but it would not have gained any traction for the entitled thick ones.

I am in my seventies and have been self-isolating for the last 3 weeks - what is so difficult for everyone who is not essential to understand we have to do this to get to the other side of this difficulty.

He was crystal clear. What he didn't do was spell out every single possible situation

I share custody, what happens to my kids

I've got a holiday cottage booked

Can I go and buy a pram and car seat for my not yet botn child

My dog has recently had surgery and needs more than 1 walk a day

I'm a builder half way through a job, can I finish it

He didn't do this because its not unreasonable for people to apply some common sense and judgement and follow the advice to STAY AT HOME the only way I can see people struggling with understanding this is if they're being deliberately obtuse and difficult or if they are genuinely complete morons.

See I’m on the fence with this. Mfamily and I are in isolation anyway and I’m the first to jump up and down ranting about The idiots in my area paying zero attention to the advice and still going out jogging, yoga, chit chat on the corner of large groups, family bike ride, you name it they are doing it but my nephew for example who is autistic would need the wording to be as specific as we are in a total lockdown situation, you must not go out except for xxx.

He’s not being a twat, he just need things to be specific, same with my ex whom for all his crazy this would make him short circuit, My eldest son isn’t as bad these days as he has a language disorder and 5 years ago he too would have questioned this or been unclear. Don’t get me wrong I know there are CF that get it and just want to give the middle finger to everyone and do whatever they like but there are also some people that genuinely need it to be told in specific words “it is a lockdown and if you go out you will be in trouble” ( although how that is going to be policed is another matter altogether)

curiousaboutsamphire But children are allowed to move between households and that wasn't made clear. The whole point of a lockdown is to make it blindingly obvious to people and not leave grey areas. This was an enormous grey area that will affect millions of people. I understand that he had to do a short speech, but to imagine this will answer all of the questions everybody will have is ridiculous. 'STAY AT HOME' is not 100% possible for many people, and the word 'essential' is open to interpretation.

Yeah whatever I don't think

gatherings in public of more than two people who do not live together will be prohibited.

Was clear

The quicker we all follow the rules, the quicker this can all be over with.

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Sports Direct intend to ignore the non essential shops bans as they and their Karrimor trainers are an essential item.

No-one needs fancy trainers when they are confined to the house!

My understanding from BoJo the Clown's speech was that the only shops allowed to be open were those supplying FOOD and MEDICINES. (I have also read somewhere - possibly on MN) that this includes shops which supply pet food, thank Christ!).

Even dentists, vets, and doctors' surgeries are emergency only. Why the hell should Mike "fill-my-pockets-with-cash" Ashley get to decide he is the exception?

There should be legislation to close any non-food/pharmaceutical stores if necessary and arrest and fine the owners.

this is putting lives at risk - because if there is some greedy bastard trying torahs in, there will be a stupid bastard waving money at them.

Also - a different note - Am I the only one getting "Make millions from Corona Vitus" bitcoin ads via e-mail? I'm blocking and deleting the damn things and they are still arriving.)

When I tried to return some sports direct trainers I was told they're not suitable for wearing in mud. So I can't imagine they'll be very good for outdoor exercise on March.
I already hated sports direct and now I hate them a bit more.

If you live together, more than 2 of you can go out for exercise once a day:

"One form of exercise a day such as a run, walk, or cycle. This should be done alone or only with people you live with"

I will take my 2 younger DCs out for a walk at the same time.

Also;
"Public gatherings of more than 2 people are banded, excluding the people you live with"

cornishdreams1 agree

ut children are allowed to move between households and that wasn't made clear. The whole point of a lockdown is to make it blindingly obvious to people and not leave grey areas. Does that materially change what I posted? What is the safest thing for your kids? Do that!

All the quibbling and looking for ways round this are daft. Take what you understand, think about it, is it the safest option? Can you do without it? Then do whatver it is you NEED to do, not what you WANT to do!