Stay at home, go to work

[sunshine19781]

What is deemed absolutely necessary when deciding to go to work? Many self employed, builders for example, will want or crack on with their jobs so they get paid. Has Boris done enough?

Travelling to and from work, but only if this is "absolutely necessary" and cannot be done from home
This
So if you can't work from home and must go in then you go in .
My work could possibly be done from home they have reduced our hours due to Coronavirus so I'm not in every day . I may be given a laptop which I'll need to collect and a few other things so I can wfh but I can't see me being able to concentrate at home with the dc . I'd rather be in the office I drive to work the office is 50% empty and all sat quite a distance apart . I'll have to find out the situation tomorrow.

Not looking for a loophole - it doesn't affect me one way or another. But what he said was "travelling to and from work, but only where this is absolutely necessary and cannot be done from home.". I read that as the travelling being necessary, not the work.

I get it, I do - my despair at the fuckwittery of the nation can not be expressed in words. However what the actual fuck are we - with a self employed builder, renting our house supposed to do? No 80% for us. Will be homeless within three months (if we default on the rent), less if we don’t. Why is the government ignoring the self-employed. Just so fucking depressingly.

Self employed cleaner here. I get tax credits not uc. No upped payments for me I believe. Dh is a sahp. He is the designated shopper. I am the worker. I clean homes that are empty. End of tenancy cleans or people who are not home.
Those people will still be out visiting aged relatives who need support /shopping..

"Some other businesses need to be closed but it looks like they’re being given an opportunity to think for themselves before being told!"
What worries my DH is if he lays everyone off then claims the 80% of their wages the government will say that they didn't actually say; "shut down your company", we said only travel to work if you definitely can't work for home which most of my DJ's employees cant so therefore they are allowed to work and can't have the 80%.

No, he can't, but so many people are saying stay at home unless you're a key worker, and others are saying only stay at home if you can work from home!!

That's not what was said though. People not listening and deciding it's only essential key workers are wrong. That doesnt mean the advice isnt clear. It means that people are trying to make it fit, what they want it to be.

If he can not work from home, he can go to work. Obviously, taking social distance advice.

My DH is not looking for a loop hole he's actually worried about his staff. Yup he could lay them off and tell them that currently there is no guarantee from government that they'll get their 80% of their wages paid by the government how do you think they'll feel about that? It would suit him as his overheads would go down.

What you are saying doesnt make sense.

If he lay's them off, they dont get the 80%. The 80% is the givernemebt paying lost of their wages so business owners dont lay people off. If he lay's them off, its benefits until they find a new job.

People are not reading or listening to what's said and then asking loads of random questions and claiming something was said that wasnt.

The information on the 80% so far is clear. Ita to stop people like your dh laying people off. Why he is saying thats not clear is beyond me.

The details will be published early april.

On the laying staff off and the 80% malarkey has anyone got any clarity on how this is to be paid?

@horsesaremylife this is it I think

https://www.facebook.com/indonesianembassylondon/videos/223126545553779/?vh=e

I think you can go to work if your job cant be done at home. People need to work, otherwise the economy will die and so will tax payments to the government which fund the NHS.

Threads like this are really peeing me off at the moment. The judging!

His announcement was bloody unclear. As he has been all week. People are confused.

The government has forced us into this rather than following the testing processes followed by places like Singapore and S Korea and not introducing border controls (which we still don’t have). It is a failure that this even needs to be considered.

Sitting in your house with a garden with a couple months savings and judging people is very easy and shows an amazing lack of empathy at a time like this.

I am very worried about all the people who are going to die from domestic abuse, made bankrupt or commit suicide over this. The prostitutes who will take even bigger risks. The addicts who will up their risky behaviour. The elderly who will receive less support. These measures will kill people even as they save the lives of others, but those numbers will never be calculated.

I have spent the past two weeks going through the pandemic modelling for work, looking at death rates, calculating mortality estimates on a range of factors. My kids left childcare a week ago and I have wfh since then. I am very aware of what this is.

But if the government wants people to stay at home they need to show them how they will feed their families and pay their rent. They have not done this for the self employed or people who are unable to wfh. They have recommended not compelled. This failure is on them, not individuals making difficult choices.

"CappyCapCap" I'm afraid your talking crap. If you look on the government website it says employers decide who to lay off, Lay off or furloughing means granting a leave of absence it doesn't mean sacking or making redundant. But what isn't clear from the government if you can furlough staff just because of Covid19 if you have plenty of work and can pay them if they keep working.

It means what it saves
Travel to work only if it's essential and if you can't wfh . So he is saying if you can wfh wfh don't go to work and if you can't wfh go in it's not difficult . You have to travel to get to work

"@MovingTowardsANewPositivity" thank you thats not what Boris Johnson actually said but this link is very helpful.

I believe there will be more clarification on what business must close so if you've been told to go in go in, it maybe that wfh is sorted or if not closed anyway .

There is no help for the self employed and there desperately needs to be some. My husband works with many who work on London construction sites most are self employed and often on £2K a week nothing has been put in place for them yet.

Unfortunately until a definitive list or definition is published, some employers are going to keep taking advantage. My job is defined as essential within the emergency services, I have to go in to work which is fine. My partner works in the office at a manufacturing company who make non-essential items. Despite the fact that all of the office workers could do their jobs from home, their employer hasn’t allowed them to do so. I’m not anticipating this changing tomorrow and as of right now his management team have been completely silent and haven’t responded to questions about what this means for them. The company is putting every single individual who works for them at risk, including the vulnerable people on the high risk list who also have been made to stay at work!

I understood it to be if you can work from home then do so, if you can't then you are permitted to travel to work. It didn't say anything about only travel to work if you're a key worker.
So I assume if you work in an office or factory etc and as long as your employer has taken steps to help prevent infection then you just go to work as normal.

"@gunnernat" please don't assume al employers are taking advantage since BJ announcement my husband has heard from many employers like him, no one is sure what to do. Most would happily lay their staff off but need to be sure they'll staff will get 80% of their wages.

@cushioncovers you're absolutely right.

“ Councils are freezing council tax payments. ”

Mine has gone up a fair bit.

@horsesaremylife although that has now changed on an updated video...

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?storyfbid=10158310811723453&id=7303343452&anchorr_composer=false

@horsesaremylife You've got to be trolling us? 2k a week and they need bail out by the Government? All I keep seeing is bloody Facebook petitions about paying the self-employed their full wage etc etc. Surely, (within reason) them's the breaks with self employment! Maybe BJ should say "brilliant, yes, let's pay you 80% too - now let's see those tax returns..."

My DH also thinks @cushioncovers is right.
My husband has decided to give all his staff a weeks paid AL whilst he looks into this and looks for clarification.

But if the government wants people to stay at home they need to show them how they will feed their families and pay their rent. They have not done this for the self employed or people who are unable to wfh. They have recommended not compelled. This failure is on them, not individuals making difficult choices

They are not telling people to stay at home . Not everyone.

There is an acknowledgement that some people will have to go work. Those people will still get their wages.

If a company loses business because of this and would otherwise be making people redundant, the govt. are underwriting wages.

If there will be difficulties paying a mortgage, a three month holiday will be available.

Landlords will not be able to evict tenants for not paying during this crisis.

Council tax payments will be frozen.

Utilities cannot be disconnected for non-payment.

The self-employed can make use of all of the above & can also claim an allowance for themselves & dependants. I agree...not enough help, but will undoubtedly keep a roof over their heads and food on the table.

Social workers & the police are still there for domestic violence sufferers.

The government have been following scientific advice - advice about a brand new virus no one has seen before.

What the fuck else do you expect of them? We have a global emergency & people like you are not helping one little bit.

"Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home."

No. That's not what was said. What was said was:

'Travelling to and from work, but only where this is absolutely necessary and cannot be done from home. [Emphasis mine]

It's a 2 part condition. Your work has to be both absolutely necessary and cannot to be done from home.

If your job is absolutely necessary, but can be done from home, you stay at home.

If your job is not absolutely necessary but cannot be done from home, you stay home and don't work.

If your job is not absolutely necessary but can be done from home, you stay home and do work.

If your job is absolutely necessary and cannot be done at home, you travel to work.