To expect Mumsnet NOT TO ALLOW OPENLY RACIST THREADS TO STAND UNDELETED?

[Hurlyburly]

Hmm? Well AM I?

If someone tells me not to click on the FUCKING thread in question, I think I will explode. Racism should have no place on Mumsnet.

sorry hurly had to laugh, the only post i could find on the thread which mumsnet had deleted was yours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I assume due to the amount of swear words!!

dont think racism has anything to do with skin colour, if im not mistaken the most persecuted race on earth were the jews and their not black.

XYZabc

Wiki definition of racism:

Racism is a belief or concept that inherent differences between people, in particular those upon which the concept of race is based, significantly influence cultural or individual achievement, and may involve the idea that one's self-identified race or ethnic group or others' race or ethnic group is superior.

Anti-semitism is a special case of racism.

Also, if you think there are no black Jews, you really do need to educate yourself.

icing - so what is your point?????

You are right xyzabc, it just really annoys me that people think rasism only applys to black people, then when a story crops up about a white man recieving abuse and being a victim of racism, everyone instantly dismises the story as being false.

I think i have said 'my point' about 3 times now. My point is racism doesn't just happen to black people it happens to whites too. But everyone forgets this.

i thought that had already been acknowledge, of course british people are discriminated against, all races suffer some discrimination.

So what do you suggest we do about it????

Your point is accepted, icing. It's just a shame you had to reference a racist car dealer to get it made!

your probably right speedymama, my knowledge of the holocaust ( i know ive probabaly spelt it wrong sm, dont pull me up on it) is fairly limited but when ive seen films about concentration camps etc, ive never seen any black people amoung them? but i think you get my point that its not about skin colour, just one person thinking their superior to another, for all sorts of reasons, i think we agree there!

Agree xyzabc.

Icing, it has been acknowledged that racism occurs in all races.

To be honest i don't think there is alot that can be done about it. It would be nice to have more people be aware of the fact that racism doesn't just happen in black people communities, it happens in white communities too.

Everyone is so geared up to defend victims of racism who are black, which is a good thing, but no one is geared up to defend white people because not many people (which has been proved on this thread) believe racism exists towards white people to the extent that someone had to move from his estate in London to another part of the country.

xycabc - black people, Romany Gypsies, homosexuals and political dissenters were all thrown into concentration camps. There just weren't very many black people in the relevant countries in the 1930s-40s, whereas there were millions of Jewish people.

Icing - spending so much time thinking about who did what to who and what colour, race they were is very unproductive.

We should be looking at what causes racism and what this country could do to ease it.

i am aware of that policywonk, a " master race" was trying to be formed and any one that didnt fit the mould was in trouble. so, perhaps we should all be glad that hitler didnt win the war, and go make ourselves a nice cup of tea!

Icing the thing is you keep banging on about this one guy who was the victim of racism...that doesn't really stack up against the racism that we know happens all over the world in all races. Perhaps you could povide a few more anecdotes?

icing - nooooooooooooo please dont, we could all be here, all day, swapping discrimination stories, whats the point?????

white - black
black - white
etc, etc.

And at the end of it, do we then decide which colour is the more racist, by how many stories!!!!!!!!!!!

just wnated to say that Policywonk has hit the nail on teh head...at that time there weren't many black people in germany, etc....!
Even growing up there were not many Black people in Germany, now there is far more and well, germany become quite multicultural, too...which is a good thing.
OH, and I am also glad Hitller didn't win the war....I think the world would be a very different place now, and probably not good different...shudder...

Agree with law 3 - I think racism was on the decrease in this country prior to 1997 but with the increase in immigration and the scarcity of resources and the pace of social change occuring at the rate it is then I feel that some people are becoming more racist because they feel disenfranchised and marginalised within their own country.

Some people on this site seem to think it is racist to say even something like "in our own country", Well I don't and it isn't, I can trace my family being in my area back to the 1700's so this is my country.

Censoring discussion and branding people as racists rather than trying to see their point of view in my opinion has the adverse affect to what the person trying to supress the discussion wants and therefore actually may increase racism.

3anm, if Hitler had won, there would be no Taebo!

and speedy...that would be an awful shame....wouldn't it...what would we do...

difers - did i say that!!!!!!!!!!!

difers oh right!!! got yer the last bit, i was thinking bloody hell i must be going mad, dont remember saying all that.

Sorry Law3 I agree with you we should look to the causes of racism and be able to speak about issues sensibly.

I don't really think that people are considering other peoples point of veiws and also thinking about the difference in education and communication skills that people on mumsnet might have.

For example,

A) I feel we should have a very robust immigration system, one reason being that I am concerned about the lax system allowing trafficking and sexual explotation of women by criminals into this country, I read in the Guardian that 80% of sex workers in London are immigrants and also separately the STD's are on the increase.

B) All the Polish are over here, on the game, spreading the clap, send em back.

Now, please consider whether A) is racist or B) is racist or both are racist. My point is that some people may not have the words to decribe their concerns in a manner that is acceptable but that their concerns may be the same and just as valid as anyone elses.

I was asked to clarify this statement I made yesterday so I will:

"I believe that all races are equal BUT not all cultures are equal."

OK. Culture relates to the way in which one leads one's life- one's choices to a greater or lesser extent, dependent on the degree of power and autonomy one holds. It encompasses religion and the choices made in its name.

Race is purely the gene pool from which you are created. You as an individual have absolutely no choice over this.

To this end, I believe that one can only view all races as being equal. However, many choices people make as a result of unthinking or unchallenged adherence to a received cultural norm can be judged- perhaps judged according to one's OWN cultural norms but I believe that amongst the shifting sands of what's 'right' and what's 'wrong' ie relative to one's own belief or cultural system, certain acts and behaviours stand out as being absolutes, as is absolutely wrong.
Examples include the cultures that not only allow but encourage for fear of ostracism, female genital mutilation; arranged marriages within societies where young women are raped and stoned, with the collusion of whole villages, for making the mistake of falling in love with an unapproved man; cultures that do not recognise the murder of female children as being unacceptable; cultures that actively teach their young that people of other racial groups are inferior human beings thus can be reviled with impunity.

These are just a few examples of what I mean when I say I believe that all races are equal BUT not all cultures are equal.

I don't really know how we can solve racism. I think immigration plays a big part in it and i think the reason people in this Country see more and more immigrants arriving each day who are taking jobs, getting benefits etc which probably makes people feel hostile and resentful against the immigrants. I could be talking bollocks but thats the only reason i could think of that would be why people in this Country are becoming racist?