To expect Mumsnet NOT TO ALLOW OPENLY RACIST THREADS TO STAND UNDELETED?

[Hurlyburly]

Hmm? Well AM I?

If someone tells me not to click on the FUCKING thread in question, I think I will explode. Racism should have no place on Mumsnet.

Have you reported it?

I don't know which thread you are referring to but I agree racism does not fall into the "if you don't like it don't click on it" category.

i read the thread when it onlyhad a few replies. The title is racist enough. i don't know how the thread progressed.

Which one? Have you reported it?

agreed - i have no clue as to what you are refering - have you reported it?

although if there is a defence - maybe it will be that thee are many different points of view on the thread - so only overt racism - rather than ignorace would be deleted

dunno je just speculating

Is it the "my dd is an ethnic minority" one?

That one was always going to be trouble, so gave it a wide berth. Report it and let MNHQ decide if it is racist.

I can understand the depth of your feeling but if you do read the thread, you will see that the title has provoked a very interesting debate. Just imho of course!

Deleting the thread isn't going to make the issue of rasism go away!

Hurlyburly : you are the thread Nazi who cannot cope with (or maybe does not understand) an honest debate.

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agree we don't do it that way - but am pretty sure we don't like the N word either!

For someone who doesn't want rasism discusted, you aint half drawing attention to the subject!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/2724/384375

Well here's a selection culled from the first few posts - which were enough to make me physically sick

"I fear an emphasis on the evils whites did to blacks feeds notions of victimhood among black children who should instead see they have great opportunitiies if they choose to seize them."

"I agree and think this is where balance tipped for me as I have been verbally abused at work by migrants from countries with whom the UK has no link with about how awful our housing system is and I just think, if our system is so crap, why are you here?"

"There are alot of people abusing our tolerant society, our fantastic health service, our housing systems."

"The knock on effect of mass imigration is huge and I've never had the opportunity to say I don't want more people coming to this country through the electoral system."

"All I see is a poor health system, poor schooling, poor policing, poor housing and lots of people who don't speak english in the town centre during the day."

Hurly, those aren't just opinions they are facts!

oh grief Im gonna get slated for this, but this is what I think of what the OP experienced on the other thread.

Here goes. I think that she is not racist and asked a genuine question. I equally think that this is not the forum to ask such a question though, as it is a very sensitive issue. I think, that as in all things, when presented with something new or alien or out of ones experience - then one can be 'taken aback'.

I think - that this is what has happened, that the Op was 'taken aback'.

So. Should she have been? In light of her opening a thread and pouring out her concerns so publicly, I think that we should be more supportive and guiding towards her.

My advice to her, would be: the colour of ones skin should not pose a problem to you. We are all human regardless of colour, race or religion. You should have dealt with your concerns in private, as your thread did come across as racist - but no doubt you did not mean it to. Go make a coffee, take a time to sit and think. Each child in that class is a special child - with beautiful coffee colour skin, or dark brown skin, or white skin. Each child starting a journey in this world - looking to be accepted, learning to love, learning to play and make friends....etc
Think about it. Its a beautiful mix of beautiful children - and each one able to offer something different to another. There is no need for concern. Take care

And so, should MN delete such a thread. No I dont. Because we can learn from it. We can learn and see what the response was, we can learn and see that someone has genuine struggles out there and needs help. We can also see that there is still a divide in race, religion and skin tone. And thats a shame, but times change and people change. We need to encourage people to see what is right, not just slam them at the first hurdle.

All this of course, is imho.

I whole heartedly agree with HB.
Healthy debate = fine. P{eople ranting ignorantly about immigrants (as well as somehow mixing them up with British born-and-bred non-white people!) - NOT OK.

Whilst I don't agree that your quotes represent facts, I'm struggling to see that they're racist. They are just people's heartfelt views - however misplaced some of them seem to be to me personally.

If we don't have open discussion Hurly, we'll never get to the root of what causes this kind of discontent in society.

< peace, love and harmony and all that >

I don't think your post was unreasonable Wolfgirl. It's all very well saying it was misguided and came across as racist (as indeed have many of the posts on that thread) but we should be supportive blah blah ...

What about the effects upon someone who is not white of reading this on a forum they previously used for support and laughs and jollies?

To find that there are posters who worry about sending their children to the same school as children like yours? And that was the least of it, it was really. Some of the views expressed on there just shouldn't be articulated.

How would the parent of a special needs child feel if I said I did not want my children to go to school with a special needs child? For example.

To be racist is to believe and to act upon the notion that your race is superior to another race. The term is used too freely on MN.

At worst, some of the posts were mildly xenophobic.

I'd have to agree with CashnCarry - whilst those statements may be distasteful and not true, I wouldn't use the term 'racisit' exactly. They certainly wouldn't come close to my own opinions, but ........

I'm afraid the title of that thread always meant a very full and frank discussion, and thats what you got. Thousands of pple would hold similar views - esp if they read the likes of the DM - where its par for the course. They would claim as you know that just by having a debate about immigration is not racist. Many many many pple hold that pt of view.

Exactly @HB. I sometimes wonder if half the people poasting on this forum realise that NOT EVERYONE HERE IS WHITE.

Hurly - as a "person of colour" I was indeed initially offended by the title but went ahead and contributed to the discussion nevertheless.

There are plenty of questionable views all around me in society - I hear lots of Daily Mail-esque garbage every day at work and it does make me feel very uncomfortable at times. However, if I was to ignore them and shut myself away in my own "PC" world, I would never have the chance to understand where those views spring from and maybe even have a chance to change them.

I hope my DD is similarly understanding and tolerant of other people's views - after all, we can't cocoon them forever...

"NOT EVERYONE HERE IS WHITE"

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no-one told me that before I joined

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