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To not even know how to start losing weight

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Catminder901 · 08/03/2020 19:41

To start with, I will admit that I am overweight - like, very overweight. Like BMI of 47 overweight.

I've always been quite fat, but piled on weight during both my pregnancies and never really managed to lose it. I'm Type 2 diabetic (surprise, surprise) and also have high blood pressure.

A pro pro of high blood pressure, my GP said I really need to lose weight and has referred me to see a dietitian. I'm just genuinely struggling to get my head round how I will actually start losing weight.

I have a lot of weight round my tummy and hips and thighs, so I waddle when I walk, plus I get out of breath and sweat and wheeze. It does not make exercise easy or appealing.

I don't actually massively overeat. I've tried diets and I can stick to them, but the second I lapse, all the weight goes on again and I feel like, why bother with this one?

I am sure a lot of people are going to think: just have some self control. But I honestly feel like, it would be so much easier to lose weight if I wasn't starting from quite such a bad point!

And I do want to change. I know that I'm at risk of health problems. I don't feel attractive. I can't do things which I'd like to do. And worst of all, I feel like once my kids are a bit older, I am going to be an embarrassment to them. I am THAT person who is so fat that people stare.

If anyone has any helpful hints (even along the lines of, you will be fat forever, just try to accept it) I would be so grateful.

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bellabelly · 08/03/2020 23:47

I really recommend following Dr Michael Mosely's book The 8 Week Blood Sugar Diet for kick starting your weight loss and possibly reversing your Type 2 diabetes.

In terms of building up some fitness, download the Couch to 5K app and give it a go. You might want to build up a bit of fitness first if you are very overweight by walking more for, say, a month. But lots and lots of overweight people (including me!) have had real success with the Couch to 5K programme - it help you build up from running a minute at a time to 30 minutes solid running in just 9 weeks. I started this time last year, never really thinking I could complete the programme. But I did and I am still running regularly - I am slow and not a "natural" runner but I love it and feel SO much fitter than I was this time last year.

Catminder901 · 08/03/2020 23:51

Good idea re. the evening distraction. I do tend to find that if I'm reading or whatever I want food less. Unless they start eating in the books - so inconsiderate!

I hated that walk! I know "around the block" sounds pathetic... but we live on a long street, so it was a bit further than it sounds! I would really prefer to try swimming... but I'm still so worried about wetting myself in the pool Blush Even with special swim underwear. Or sinking! Urgh, why have I let myself GET like this?!

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DesLynamsMoustache · 08/03/2020 23:51

Intermittent fasting has worked really well for me trying to get the leftover baby weight off. I wouldn't stick to a 'diet' and I'd feel constantly deprived, but 'delay, don't deny' works wonders for me as a lifestyle change. I eat between midday and 8pm, so basically I skip breakfast and have a normal lunch and dinner and stop eating by 8. I eat pretty much what I used to eat, although I'm slightly more mindful of things but I don't calorie count, and so far I've lost 17lbs since the start of the year and it doesn't feel like I've been on a diet. I've had meals out, cake, you name it.

Having hard limits of the fasting (I know that after 8 i won't eat till midday) make it really easy to stick to. I haven't cheated once as I haven't felt the need to. I have a lot more energy generally too.

I've lost weight before by calorie counting and it did work but it didn't feel like a long-term solution the way IF does.

Ninlil · 09/03/2020 00:12

The thought of doing it is far far worse than the actual doing it.

Just the same as the thought of never having another cigarette/drink again can be panic inducing for smokers and drinkers.

I lost around 5st with SW, didn't exercise at all but as the weight came of I automatically became more active. I was losing weight for a holiday and the problem with that is as soon as the holiday was over I went back to my old habits and gained 2st of that back.

I really don't like the SW classes but it does work and I am back eating SW recipes etc but using MyFitnessPal. It took me a long time to get back on track because the thought of it made me keep putting it off but here I am 4 weeks back into it and I'm just over a stone down and the sky didn't fall.

I am an evening grazer too so tend to save things like syns, heb and hea for evening, those along with fruit and I can graze until bedtime.

You absolutely CAN do this, you know you can Flowers

Heb - bread/crackers/cereal etc
Hea - cheese/milk/dairy
Syns - chocolate/crisps/anything not considered free food

Ninlil · 09/03/2020 00:18

Could you maybe try swimming once to see how you feel and just don't go back if it causes you anxiety.

Or wait until you feel better about it, honestly a stone or two down and you'll feel so good, then you can revisit the swimming idea.

ILikeyourHairyHands · 09/03/2020 00:33

If I may speak up as a slim person that's never been overweight at 47. I've always had a completely neutral relationship with food. I love food and cooking and eating, but it's never been tied to my emotions. I eat because I enjoy it, I never deny myself or reward myself with food. It's a pleasure and a joy but I eat sensible portions of what I want. I don't think exclusive diets are useful, a good relationship with food is what matters.

I don't know if that's helpful or not.

ILikeyourHairyHands · 09/03/2020 00:35

And no one will notice if you piss in the pool.

Worriedmom2020 · 09/03/2020 00:38

I've started eating carnivore. 1 meal @12 with 2lbs of meat/animal products. 9lbs off in 10 days. And it isn't water weight because I was doing keto the week before and Exante the week before that.

2 years ago, DH and I did Exante, we lost 16 stone between us and have gained 7 between us back since September.

This is much easier, as we are full.

Intermittent fasting is key! No eating after 7pm not before 12pm.

Catminder901 · 09/03/2020 00:47

Definitely going to look into the intermittent fasting! I work from 8am anyway, so it should be easier to fast in the morning because I don't have loads of time to eat or think about eating anyway!

@Ninlil I think I'm going to take the plunge (unintentional pun!) and try the swimming once and see how it goes. If it makes me really anxious, I'll wait until I've lost a bit before I go again. But I feel like it might be easier than only doing walking. My walking is a bit crap at the moment because my fat thighs are making me walk in a weird way and I get a lot of hip pain. So I basically walk as little as possible - and of course that just makes matters worse...

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missperegrinespeculiar · 09/03/2020 01:11

As a PP said, look up Dr Jason Fung, especially his Diabetes Code

Also, OP, IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT! read his books, watch his videos if easier, and ditch the guilt!

Graphista · 09/03/2020 02:48

Soooo much of what you’re saying resonates with me.

But I lost 2 stone with ww a few years back and I would say slimming clubs can be incredibly helpful and motivating. I still
need to lose more but with my health issues currently I’m actually doing well just not gaining!

The mindset is what you have to address before you’ve any chance of weight loss.

You can’t approach it or think of it as a temporary thing, it has to be a permanent change. A new way of living altogether. Because your current way of living isn’t working for you.

It’s also pointless beating yourself up about it, negativity just makes you feel down and more likely to want to “treat” yourself with unhealthy food/drink.

Literally don’t run before you can walk! Whatever activity you do don’t set unrealistic goals which you’ll then fail to achieve and be pissed off at yourself about. I also found swimming and walking to be Best But I also have a physical disability so I can’t do most exercises anyway. At my most well I had a gym membership at a discounted rate as I also am mentally ill and physical activity helps with that but I worked with a specialist trainer at the gym who deals with disabled members and designs routines that suit their capabilities in my case I can’t do running/jumping high impact stuff and I have to watch my spine so it was walking on the treadmill, using elliptical trainer in a particular way and only on days I knew I could manage and the exercise bicycle to a Ltd extent, and NEVER on the rowing machine (which pre disability I used to love!) fixed weights and only certain machines and NEVER free weights (again loved these before)

I am also an ex nurse and I hate crash or faddy “diets” and I especially hate meal replacement plans! They are not healthy, not sustainable and you don’t learn to manage your diet (meaning your nutritional intake) or the food environment that so many of us struggle with.

Cutting out entire food groups has no sound scientific basis, we are designed to eat a wide variety of foods and many foods we obtain the best nutrition from them thanks to eating with complementary foods eg iron rich foods should be taken with vitamin c rich foods to aid absorption, healthy fats are necessary to absorb certain vitamins and metabolise them.

There’s a theory (that has scientific basis) that we more or less always eat the same VOLUME of food throughout the day but the calorie density is what makes the difference - common sense really - 100g of lettuce is a lot of lettuce because it’s light weight but takes the same amount of space in your stomach and triggers the same level of fullness reaction as 100g of chocolate, but 100g of chocolate has far more calories and is sort of “compacted” so easy to eat that much that’s only about 4 squares of chocolate, but would be a massive bowl of lettuce.

So you do need to exercise moderation with more calorific foods.

It’s also pointless eating less of the more calorific foods and NOT REPLACING that with something else - classic weight losers mistake and leads to hunger and cravings and irritability.

That’s where clubs and even online support can be worth its weight in gold because you’ll learn tips from other weight losers on how to fill up on more nutritious lower calorie food and dishes.

Some I’m sure you’ll have heard of before but they’re repeated because they’re true:

Drinking more as thirst is often mistaken for hunger - major issue for me, and as you’re diabetic you need to be drinking plenty anyway, preferably water. If like me you’re not a big fan, chill it, ice it, flavour it (naturally) to make it more palatable. I chill all mine in the fridge and add a squirt of jif lemon when I fancy or cucumber in the summer sometimes mint too.

As pps are saying load up on veg - I’m veggie and still find this hard but really only when I’m being lazy. Add veg to every meal and for your main meal it should make up at least 1/2 the serving. Veg soup (home made) as a starter every night is also a good, nutritious, low sugar, low calorie way of filling up before eating your main meal.

Sounds like you’re a night snacker like me too - ime slimming clubs are good at helping to identify your areas you’re struggling with and helping you find solutions.

When I first was going ww I tried to follow what the others I got friendly with were doing but they had different areas of difficulty to me so that didn’t work.

Got chatting to the leader and she’d been the same as me (both single mums too) - could easily go through the day being busy and not eating much if at all (that’s a bad habit too of course as you just end up hungrier) but come when I collapsed on the sofa at 9pm to watch my favourite tv in peace as dd was in bed I’d suddenly realise I was hungry but cba to cook that late and so reached for the easy snacks of crisps, dips, chocolate, biscuits, small cakes and sweets.

With ww you are (or were it seems to have changed? Anyone know?) allocated a set number of “points” which really were a method of allowing easy calorie counting. Now for arguments sake (and cos I can’t properly remember!) say I had an allowance of 25 points a day that I had to use (a minimum for health) and then there’d be another 15 you could use IF you wanted to within the week - you could either spread them across the week and have a few extra points per day OR save them for a night out/special occasion.

There were also some foods that were “free” they were so low cal you didn’t have to count them in points - mainly veg, some fruits and things like flavourings where you’d be using such small amounts the
Cals weren’t worth counting. Also sugar and fat free drinks (eg a pps aforementioned black sugar free coffee, but also diet drinks) and some fruits. And you’d also learn which were very low point items like low fat yogurt.

With my eve snacking habits I was advised to basically skew my calorie intake towards the evening to best fit my rhythms but not late evening. So breakfast would be very low cal fruit alone or eggs or yogurt, a sort of medium cal deal for lunch usually a sandwich made with bread that came in smaller loaves, low fat mayo, Quorn deli slices and a little mustard, instead of crisps with lunch I’d have veg sticks either plain or (top tip for us salt addicts) seasoned - I like the garlic salt crushers you can get for this type of thing, maybe with a little serving of low cal dip, a low fat yogurt and instead of my previous blueberry muffin or high calorie Choc bar I’d have a Jaffa cake or slice of malt loaf or a treat size chic bar or a low cal bar like Milky Way rather than a snickers. Dinner was actually usually healthy anyway but I’d got in the habit of using less veg, ready made sauces and vastly overdoing the carbs! So I reined in (but didn’t cut out!) the carbs, I’d been unwittingly making myself enough for 3 people and serving dd an adults portion! (She’d complained for years I gave her too much and I worried she wasn’t eating “enough” she was eating plenty!) added more veg, went back to making my own sauces (pure laziness there!).

Then for evenings instead of going mad on crisps, full sugar cloudy lemonade or coke, or in the winter hot choc made with cream AND marshmallows (yes I know! D’oh!) and chocolate AND cake I’d have veg sticks (again seasoned to get that salt hit, sometimes a wee bit of a low cal dip - dead easy to make your own too), maybe a quick wee bit of scrambled eggs sometimes, fruit, sugar free ices in the summer (certain fruits freeze really well too), black coffee with sweetener or occasionally an options hot chocolate but without the marshmallows and cream!, a Jaffa cake or treat size choc bar or low cal one. Not all in the same evening! But just some examples.

Leader also helped me to realise I was eating because I was bored mainly so I went back to doing hobbies I’d not done in years because of being a lone parent (tired, hard to concentrate and not easy to pick up/put down if a very little dd woke up, but she was much older by this stage) of knitting and cross stitch and tried some new ones too tried to learn crochet (unsuccessfully need to try again) - other benefit of these being they occupy your hands! You can’t really eat and cross stitch!

Sorry much longer post than I intended hope some of it is of use.

Seconding

IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT

Our food environment in this country at the moment is positively toxic! Plus I have a theory that artificial sweeteners are fucking with metabolism.

hadenough · 09/03/2020 06:10

I was at the upper end of a normal BMI but could see if I didn't start addressing it I'd end up going into the overweight category. I have not gone on a diet. All I have done is massively reduce sugar and have watched portions. I tend to live on a Mediterranean diet. So, for example, I will eat a chicken breast and just have roasted red peppers, red onions, courgettes etc as a side and nothing else. The other thing I do is be very careful when eating rice and pasta - I eat them at max twice per week and then make sure I do good portion control as they can be very easy to overdo.

The other thing I do is for lunch I will just have a small sandwich and then a low sugar yoghurt or equivalent. So again, I make sure I am not overeating.

Butter has been completely cut out in favour of olive oil - I still bake cakes every so often but always substitute the butter for olive oil. It is far better for achieving healthy cholesterol levels and I actually much prefer the flavour.

I also make sure to drink at least 2 litres of water per day.

With this I have lost a stone since January, which I am happy with.

Good luck - it does seen impossible but just remember, you have to start somewhere and stopping any additional weight gain is a great starting point in itself.

A diet has never worked for me, I wanted to make permanent changes which would last. I have tried low carb etc before and yes I did lose weight but I could pretty quickly see it just wouldn't work for me on a long term basis.

chillychicken · 09/03/2020 06:27

James Smith Academy. You don’t have to pay to get the basic info re calories.

Check him out on Instagram and check out some of his “challenge winners” (you don’t have to enter the challenge to benefit). Some of the transformations are incredible.

Doidoit19 · 09/03/2020 06:36

I'm also T2, very overweight and struggling with losing weight. I have about 6 stone to lose and it seems such a long way. I also have PCOS which makes it hard to lose too.
I've recently signed up with my local council to a fitness initiative where I get 12 weeks free swimming/gym membership to all local council facilities and I'm doing a step challenge with them. Week one you track your normal steps then week 2 aim to increase on 10%, same in week 3 and 4. I did week 1 last week. Maybe try that? Starting small may not make it seem like such a task. I'm also setting small goals rather than focusing on my long term goal. So first is to get into the next stone barrier, then a stone off then two etc. I'm 40 next year and every year I say I'll lose the weight and never do. I don't want to be 40, fat and unfit so I'm starting today. I'm loosely following SW although it's just another way of calorie counting really. Losing weight is just being in a calorie deficit (which I very rarely am 😳) but I really dont like My Fitness Pal so have decided to follow SW. Good luck, OP!! You have taken the first steps (literally) by going for that walk, you can do this.

CockCarousel · 09/03/2020 06:43

Hi OP, walking is a great start, but it can seem a bit boring and pointless when you're on your own, do you have access to a dog? (can always join Borrow My Doggy, like Tinder for Pooches). I've shed 3 stone since last October and all I did was walk (a lot) more and cut portion sizes a bit.

With a dog it won't even seem like exercise, honest.

Teapotdespot · 09/03/2020 06:45

Hi OP. At the beginning of the year my BMI was 47 and I’ve been overweight my entire life, have never successfully lost weight and just like you had no idea where to start.

You’re diabetic, I have PCOS which is caused by / causes (they don’t know which) insulin resistance. I spoke to my GP and a specialist, and the advice I was given was a low carb, high fat diet. The idea is to keep my blood sugar low and stable, so it never spikes and and I therefore stop over producing insulin (which tells your body to store more fat).

The absolute worst thing you could do with diabetes is go on a low fat, high carb diet since that will just make you more insulin resistant.

Your diabetes clinic I suspect has given you similar advice and honestly, I thought a low carb diet would be hell but it’s genuinely the best thing I ever did. It’s SO easy to do, my PCOS symptoms have almost vanished and I’ve lost 19lbs in 8 weeks (just over the 2lbs a week I’m aiming for for sustainable weight loss). Give it a go, head over to the low carb boot camp thread if you want to know how it all works :)

Catminder901 · 09/03/2020 06:58

Thank you for sharing experiences and for all the advice! I really appreciate it.

I know a "lifestyle change" is what's needed and I want to do it... it is just the getting started that's hard. Especially with the exercise!

The dog walking idea I like, but it might have to wait till I'm a little bit fitter!

Had a bad night... kept having to get up to pee and then checked blood sugar and it was sky high! Then had a massive panic attack at 3am, which I haven't had for years. Still feeling a bit rubbish and I'm seriously considering taking the morning off... but I think it would be giving in to anxiety and fatness!

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Namechangexyz1 · 09/03/2020 07:09

I'd say the heavier you are the easier it is to lose weight.

Because to be that weight you're clearly massively overeating and even just cutting out the snacks will make a massive difference.

I found personally that the closer you get to tour goal and the lighter you are the harder it is to get the rest off.

So dont be disheartened this is the easiest bit

Teapotdespot · 09/03/2020 07:11

I almost totally forgot. Do you have Audible? If not, you can get a free book on a free one month trial. Sign up and download ‘why we get fat (and what to do about it) by Gary Taubes. I don’t know how interested in the science of weight and metabolism you are, but the book is basically a discussion of diet studies over the last 100 years and basically tells you WHY high carb diets have made the western world sicker and fatter. There’s A LOT of discussion about type 2 diabetes and it massively helped me to understand how my body is working. It’s not preachy and it’s unbiased, plus it’s easy to understand and he presents the data in a really compelling way. I listen to it every time I have a wobble Grin

Also, remember that the people advising you on here almost all are less than 3 stone overweight and have absolutely no experience being the weight you and I are/ have been.

I’ve posted about my weight here before and I very quickly realised that the advice I was getting was really well meant, but most of the people saw my weight as my ‘fault’ and genuinely didn’t believe me when I said I didn’t eat a lot. I really really didn’t.

For people like you and I with metabolic diseases, we store weight a lot quicker due to the insulin resistance and high insulin levels which means on high carb diets we have very very little hope of getting the weight back off again and no matter how many calories we cut, we won’t lose weight as fast or as consistently as other people. I cried like a baby when I got to that bit of the Gary Taubes book because my whole life I’ve been told my weight is all my fault and it’s because I’m some kind of pig with food. Turns out it’s not the case and I’m not a pig. I could eat the exact same as a normal weight person and would gain more weight than them, added to the fact that when your insulin levels drop it stimulates intense hunger cravings, so if your insulin is higher and drops further, you get more intense cravings than other people too.

With respect to all the posters trying to help, they really don’t know what it’s like to be the size you and I are and as a result don’t have a clue about insulin resistance etc because they’ve never had to understand it.

My advice would be don’t start dieting right now, set a date in the future when you’re going to start (couple of weeks time will do), then in the meantime read Gary Taubes, read up on type 2 diabetes diet advice in Sweden and other scandi countries (it’s low carb high fat) and then you’ll be mentally prepared to do the right thing by your body.

If you attack this right now, it’s only your enthusiasm now that’s keeping you going and you need more than that. You need conviction that you’re doing the right thing for YOUR body not someone else’s, and that comes with research and time to process it.

PenisBeakerDipper · 09/03/2020 07:15

I also would recommend MyFitnessPal. Count calories, weigh EVERYTHING, find activities to keep your mind off food whenever you’re likely to overeat (the evenings are my issue). I’ve never been medically overweight but MFP always works a treat if I want to shed 10lbs. My mum used it to go from size 20 to 12!

hamstersarse · 09/03/2020 07:17

@teaposdespot

That is so great yet such a common story for people who adopt LCHF lifestyles.

It baffles me why people take the route of multi million pound companies with extraordinary marketing campaigns like SW and WW over actually science.

Keto gets a massive slating as being a fad diet yet it is one of the only ‘diets’ that is uncommercialised (basically) and promoted almost always by medical professionals / doctors only. Not the PT at the gym, but qualified and well researched clinicians

Catminder901 · 09/03/2020 07:21

@Teapotdespot Aww, thank you so much for your supportive and lovely post. I do have Audible and am actually going to take your advice regarding reading up. Maybe for this week I'm just going to note what I usually eat and cut any junk food / unnecessary snacking. Although, I know people find this hard to believe, but I REALLY don't eat much junk or refined sugars. No sugary sodas, no sugar in tea or coffee, no crisps, rarely chocolate, never biscuits. But no one would ever think it!

And I want to push myself with the exercise too.

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Catminder901 · 09/03/2020 07:23

@hamstersarse cutting carbs actually for me doesn't sound bad - if I can eat cheese and chicken I don't mind losing bread and rice and pasta Wink

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Teapotdespot · 09/03/2020 07:39

@Catminder901 you are very welcome and I wish you all the very very best.

People hear low carb and think ‘fad diet’, totally ignoring the fact it was conventional wisdom until the 1960’s to eat fewer carbs when you wanted to lose weight.

You can have all the chicken and cheese you like lovely, crack on and keep in touch Star

TheStirrer · 09/03/2020 07:45

Don’t usually recommend the daily fail but they are doing a piece on LCHF written by Dr Unwin. He has had huge success with the diet for his diabetics in his surgery. Honestly you can do this - wouldn’t it be nice to not have to inject insulin? I think many of his patients have put their Type 2 diabetes into remission!