AIBU to think Europe should let refugees in

[Gin96]

Surely Europe has room for these people?

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/world-news/eu-accuses-turkey-of-using-desperate-migrants-for-political-purposes/07/03/

coolwalking. Human rights are very real - and absolutely should be universal. The issue is not that they are not real but that many hundreds of thousands have experienced abuse of basic human rights.
That is contrary to the UN declaration
www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/UDHR_Translations/eng.pdf
Article one says; All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

There are quite a few on this thread that fail to recognise their personal or national obligations under the declaration. Even more, I suspect celebrate Christmas and sing carols whilst acting against all that Christmas stands for. Such nasty racist and ‘I’m alright’ attitudes. No wonder Boris is our PM.

Yes let’s send them to Saudi Arabia where LGBT people are stoned, women’s rights are nil and wealth is even more concentrated than it is in Europe. Great idea!

Most of them are male economic migrants sent into Europe by Erdogan to destabilize it (he's admitted this). I doubt they give a shit about either women's rights or LGBT.

@CherryPavlova

Article one says; All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood

Brotherhood?! I'm a woman thanks.

Human rights are man made and only work if everyone in the world agrees to them. That's never going to happen. Freedom of religion wins over freedom of sexuality. It's all bullshit. Absolute rubbish UN

If you say so coolwalking.

@CherryPavlova brilliant. According to the UN I can say what I like. It's so nice

That would make the world a better, kinder place wouldn’t it coolwalking?

It would never stop. OP, your argument is really 'Should there be any borders to countries?' Most of the people wanting to cross from Turkey are from Pakistan or Afghanistan according to the BBC. They are mainly economic migrants, not refugees.

If Europe and the UK just open their borders there will be a never-ending stream of economic migrants.Is that what you want- no immigration controls at all across Europe? I don't- it would be absolutely chaotic and the pressure on economies, jobs, housing, health, education would be unsustainable.

@CherryPavlova for who? Homophobic,anti women, religious zealots? Because that's who Human Rights protects! It also protects criminals - rapists and murderers. Did they adhere to the brotherhood of human rights? Nope. But they still have them.

Economic migrants who have completely different values and morals to us should not be welcomed.

Your precious human rights could be the worst invention of all time.

coolwalking no, a loss of basic humanity is far, far worse. So sad for those that are so embittered they cannot empathise with incredible suffering.

@CherryPavlova yes, my homophobic abusers human rights trumped mine. I hope you're never in the position of realising that human rights will not protect you. Keep living in the bubble.

I don't see why the uk feels it has a right to decide who is worthy to come to the UK or not.

Dear god, people actually think this? Mind-boggling.

One of the main fears behind Brexit was that the EU were going to allow Turkey in. Which they will.

No they won't.

^Turkey is not prepared at all on labour movement, establishment for companies, competition, information and media, agriculture and rural development, food safety, fishery, social policy, environment and climate change, and financial and budgetary provisions.
On 14 of these sections, development is practically frozen.^

On top of that, there are a host of individual issues, like Cyprus, the relation with Greece, religion and secularism, the Armenian issue, LGBTQ+ rights, state censorship, implementation of women’s rights, and others.

www.quora.com/Why-has-Turkey-not-been-admitted-to-the-European-Union

No. The people on the border are mainly economic migrants, not from Syria. Syrians from the severely hit areas, I believe, still have a right of passage (to Germany anyway) so are largely taken care of. Actually, I think that some refugees can return now to rebuild their country, depending on where they live.

This is a ploy from Erdogan to extort more money from the EU and we need to send resources to Greece to help them to manage the problem.

“I don't see why the uk feels it has a right to decide who is worthy to come to the UK or not.“

What sort of absurd comment is this? The UK has a right to decide who should be welcome to come into the country because without that right it is not a sovereign nation.

The people who have come into this continent en-masse since the beginning of the migrant crisis are made up in the main of economic migrants. The vast majority are not fleeing dictatorships or natural disasters and have never seen a warzone in their lives.

Do the do-gooders realise there are nearly eight billion people on the planet and literally billions of them would live in Europe and North America if they could? Here's something that doesn't seem to have occurred to those who want to let everybody in who'd choose to be here - if we let everyone in who'd choose to be here it'd be standing room only across the continent of Europe.

If people think the problem is confined to Germany they can think on; in the Republic of Ireland for example up to 99% of asylum claims from certain nations are rejected as fraudulent, but deportations happen only after years of repeat legal appeals at a mind-boggling cost to the Irish tax payer.

The impact on Ireland cannot be overstated. It's a tiny country with a tiny population, yet in 2004 the nation voted at 80-20 to overturn the birth-right citizenship enshrined in their own constitution because it had been so thoroughly abused by African women arriving in the latest stages of pregnancy to give birth in Irish hospitals and claim rights as the parent of an 'Irish' child to a lifetime of free housing, healthcare, education and welfare benefits. Ireland's electorate has voted to remove its birth-right citizenship, but its government still operates a policy of letting in so many migrants that there are now public protests for housing on Irish streets.

www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/house-the-irish-first-group-halts-building-work-on-65-social-homes-in-west-dublin-1.4174252

As for borderless nations - really? Do you have a lock on your front door that you turn the key in at night? If so you haven't got a leg to stand on with your borderless nations BS.

@lasttraineast

the people in Europe who have enough food on their table benefit hugely from the aftermath of a colonial system that saw them enrich their nations’ coffers through exploitation of others.

There are forty-four nations in Europe. Half a dozen of them were colonial nations. Tarring the entire continent with the colonial brush is just ignorance. Read a history book.

YABU sorry.

Real refugees, fleeing from war: yes we should help them. Though I think there lies a task too for the neighbouring countries and it’s not only Europe’s problem. But I think the people who are now waiting at the Turkish - Greek border are mainly economical immigrants and we cannot just let them come in. Years ago, I’m talking about 2013, I spoke to an Italian lady from the deep south who complained about all the immigrants arriving there every day and she said: we already have too many poor Italian poor people in this region that we cannot help and frankly we don’t have the resources to help so many from other countries as well. I know my friends from Greece feel the same.

Erdogan is the one also that is trying to escalate the Syrian situation at the moment, so he should deal with the refugees. Instead he wants to use them as a bargaining chip to get NATO et al involved.

Fuck him, let him deal with this pile of shit.

The thing is there's too many of them - poor people that is - and catholic lobbyists in the US resulted in fewer contraceptives going to parts of Africa where, in some countries , the majority of the population is under 35. It's a ticking time bomb. More plagues and viruses are the only answer. Formerly Christian European countries watch Greek military beating would -be immigrants with oars in the middle of the sea. TErrible. But do we open our doors and all end up living hand to mouth, except a small elite behind gated communes ( like African leaders). It will implode at some point.

Real refugees, fleeing from war: yes we should help them. Though I think there lies a task too for the neighbouring countries and it’s not only Europe’s problem.

Only? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
The countries that mostly deal with war refugees are neighbouring countries. They take the brunt of the refugees. That's where the refugee camps are located.
Syrian refugees end up showing up in Greece because it's relatively close.
Most wars you probably don't even realise they exist, based on that comment.

There was a BBC story
Young man from Afghanistan, worked as a translator with British & American forces during the war. He won some awards. He said after the war, some of his family were killed. He traveled to Europe, hoping to reach UK for a better life. Some of his friends died on the way. He had nothing. He said that he wished that he could go back. He was living life like a ghost.
He was living on the outskirts of a town, in an old train
Such a sad story

"acting against all that Christmas stands for" what has eating too much and arguing with relatives got to do with anything?

acting against all that Christmas stands for

As if we are all Christian in the UK or something. Ridiculous

Most wars you probably don't even realise they exist, based on that comment.

A typical argument of someone who will say anything to defend their idea that Europe should let everyone in. To reach Greece, they have to pass trough Turkey. Turkey is a safe country with no war going on. It’s Erdogan that gave them permission to leave and try to get to Greece because they WANT to go to Europe, although Turkey is safe. Has nothing to do with my knowledge of what is going on in the Middle East and more with your own lack of arguments to defend your point of view.

Syrian refugees my royal ass. A tiny percentage of these people are genuine Syrian refugees. Last year I visited the Canaries where I bumped into a group of migrants from Comoros heading to Europe. Yes, Comoros. I am not aware of the Comoros being war-torn and bombed to shit.

A typical argument of someone who will say anything to defend their idea that Europe should let everyone in.
Sorry, what?! How does that follow from that comment?