AIBU to think Europe should let refugees in

[Gin96]

Surely Europe has room for these people?

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/world-news/eu-accuses-turkey-of-using-desperate-migrants-for-political-purposes/07/03/

Taciturn, the responsibility can't all lie with Turkey, Greece and Italy. The 'after that, they're economic migrants' argument is disingenuous. We are sheltered from this emergency by virtue of geography, nothing else. Not through any merit of our own. The fair thing to do would be to agree a quota to be shared by the countries with the broadest shoulders, the UK included. And to paraphrase Pancake, we could afford to run effective services and to shoilder our responsibility with the refugee crisis if we made better economic choices as a nation.

Agree.

We can't take them in. As soon as you do, millions more will flock. By the way, a significant number are not Syrian but Iraqi, Iranian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi. Hence why a lot are young male economic migrants.

EU countries have finally learnt their lesson after Merkels stupid everyone is welcome open door. Would we really have ended up with Brexit without the stupidity of the EU forcing countries to take migrants (or trying to)? I don't think so.

Migration has to be managed and in line with what a country can cope with so that we don't have doctors kicking patients off their list as they are too full (just happened to us) and schools to full so have to travel 6 miles

The majority of people in the U.K., outside ‘woke’ London don’t want them. Hence Brexit. They should go to Islamic countries, many of whom are far wealthier than the U.K.

A bit by this vote as it doesn't seem to reflect the comments on the thread.
Am I correct in thinking that you can have a vote without actually bothering to articulate your reasoning?
That's disappointing.

Where are the women then??!! They arent refugees.

Do we have the room ? Our Hospitals have patients waiting lists that run to months or years , patients dying in corridors and not enough medical staff to go round. We have people living on the streets or in dodgy bedsits miles from their families and a housing shortage that we will never fix. Our Schools are full, families cant even get a place in their local school for their younger child even though the eldest is already there.
We do not have loads of room or loads of money.

Why?
The majority are economic migrants.
They are not ‘refugees.’

Urgh, leckford, seriously?
Because wealthy Arab nations are so well known for their solidarity with refugees fleeing oppressive regimes, for their solid human rights record, and for facilitating integration into a fair and equal society?
Oh, wait...

Of course the more we allow the more will make the journey -

Yes I do think we should help but more so supporting the countries that they come from to help them build substantial economies and for pressure to be put on the wealthy countries in the ME to give more support

At the moment do we want thousands of mainly young men coming through Europe absolutely not containment of the coronavirus is absolute priority

@lowlandlucky

We have plenty of money we just choose low taxes and spending on pointless vanity projects like bridges and HS2 instead of investing in health and education.

ElderAve

What a shame for you that your husband is so sexist.

Haha Chew, what a shame for you that you're so judgemental of someone who gave his adult life to upholding the Geneva Convention!

lowland, I have had occasion to spend time in hospital in my city which is one of the most diverse in the country. The people in those hospital beds are almost without exception white British. Refugees and economic migrants are not crowding our hospitals. Unless you count the hardworking and conscientious nurses, lab technicians, cleaners, doctors and porters for whom we should be incredibly grateful.

Aww what a hero. So he believes young men in war torn countries should be forced to do the same.

“I don't see why the uk feels it has a right to decide who is worthy to come to the UK or not.“
Because the Uk will have to provide food, clothes, housing, education and healthcare to them so of course it should get a say who comes here. Even Ignoring issues about spending money on people who have no historical or cultural link to us (as opposed to for example, the Ugandan Asians in the 70s)
There is just not enough space in the area they want to be such as the south east, road networks and housing infrastructure is at breaking point as it is.

And while there are obviously genuine refugees, anyone who is happy to leave their family behind in the long term is clearly not one of them, as a refugee is someone who is either fleeing for their life or has been displaced. And if their families are happy to stay there and have money sent back them that is clearly not the case. I’m not saying that economic migrants are a bad thing- we have a long history of welcoming aspirational people from all over the world - but they shouldn’t be here in the guise of being refugees.

No Chew, the Geneva convention requires the protection of women, children and the elderly. The "ethics" taught to our armed forces are based on that, which is where DH's views on this subject come from. He just thinks those who are able should defend their home country. He's also mighty proud of Captain Rosie Wild.

Good for him.

The photos i’ve seen have been women and children. I do wonder if some of the men are now in Europe but the women and children are stuck on the closed border, has Europe stopped family reunification?

I don't see why the uk feels it has a right to decide who is worthy to come to the UK or not

A country has a right to defend its borders and determine who they want to let in. If you want refugees please take them from camps and not this free-for-all which just fuels nasty human trafficking and god knows what else

Also, the natives should have a vote on this. If you let everyone in without consulting locals you are just asking for resentment and anger.

Smiley, what, exactly, do you think happens to refugees when they come here?

You lot are delusional.

Most of these people are economic migrants, not refugees.

The truly vulnerable (children, elderly etc) wouldn't be able to travel across land and seas to Europe, only the fit and healthy

Only a small percentage of these people are fleeing a country at war

If genuine refugees, they are supposed to seek refuge at the first and nearest safe country

Do you think we should let everyone from certain countries in to Europe - if we let these people in there will be thousands more tomorrow and the day after that. The infrastructure couldn't cope with those numbers.

But this is racist Britain. Boris as we are told and nauseum is a racist. Islamaphobia stalks the land. Stomzy, Dave and poet George have made a lot from saying how racist we are. We are islamsphoobes and have fascist right wing newspapers. No, I'd much rather go to a nice Muslim country if I were a refugee. Saudi Arabia I'd the home of the holy city of Mecca, surely a prime location. China has a lot of job opportinities too.

"I don't see why the uk feels it has a right to decide who is worthy to come to the UK or not. "

Every other country has the right to control its borders and vet those coming in. Many countries are much stricter than the UK.

@ElderAve I’m really interested to know exactly how your DH thinks these people should fight for their country? Presumably he joined the military voluntarily and is well trained and equipped to fight. Not everyone is/can be a soldier. How do you expect an ordinary teacher or admin clerk to cobble together an army capable of actually making an impact with no training or weapons?