AIBU to think Europe should let refugees in

[Gin96]

Surely Europe has room for these people?

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/world-news/eu-accuses-turkey-of-using-desperate-migrants-for-political-purposes/07/03/

I'm seriously sceptical too of people who profess to care about actual refugees while advocating that we let everyone and anyone in. If they cared about genuine refugees that's the last thing they'd want to see. Every economic migrant who fraudulently claims asylum is taking the place of someone desperately fleeing mayhem and terror. I hear very little said about that, especially from the far left bleeding heart brigade. I guess that ugly reality doesn't suit their political agenda.

You make excellent points, Louise, but they're unlikely to get you far with the "everyone's got to do something" type I've met. Parroting all the usual buzz phrases seems to burnish their caring credentials in their own minds at least, but pose any of the harder questions and you just get the thousand yard stare

A country can either have open borders or a welfare state. Strangely they seem to think you can have both.

Absolutely this ^.

A country can either have open borders or a welfare state. Strangely they seem to think you can have both

Oh don’t worry rich people will pay for it!!1!11!

But so should the likes of Russia and Japan.

Will Russia allow in refugees? Maybe the refugees aren’t that keen in going there.

I agree with most of your post yesterday at 18.30 something Louise, but one small protest on behalf of local councils. They have been stripped back and stripped back again, and have to obey national laws and strictures set by national government. They can be almost as out of touch sometimes: much of it’s because a lot of the central layers that would have reported up have been wiped out. Some do try, when the message gets through and they have the resources.

I had reason recently to look up the story of Shirebrook, a small ex-mining town in the East Midlands. It’s a good illustration of how things go wrong with immigration. The role of single young men en masse is notable too. Unsurprisingly the whole region voted leave in large numbers - and neighbouring Bolsover and Mansfield have been claimed as proof of ‘low immigration/ high leave vote’ links, with implicitly associated sneers.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3577855/amp/A-rapist-protected-police-neglected-mining-town-turned-Little-Poland.html

www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/exclusive-influx-eastern-european-immigrants-leads-rising-tensions-say-police-1244258?amp

They did get some help there eventually. www.chad.co.uk/news/shirebrook-gets-aps126-million-help-presssures-caused-recent-migration-719714?amp

Sorry,but these people have a home and are being forced from it.
It’s about time the world took upon itself and removed Assad. Then these poor sods could return home and attempt to rebuild their lives.
Assad and Putin are the cause of this shit.
Money, power and egos eh!
I read putin has amassed a personal fortune of £200bn. WTF!!
I hope both realise all the money and power in the world doesn’t stop time and hopefully soon they will both be dead ! And their legacy for future generations will be nothing but shameful.

It’s about time the world took upon itself and removed Assad. Then these poor sods could return home and attempt to rebuild their lives.
Assad and Putin are the cause of this shit.

NATO and the UN would love to know your plan for this.

It’s about time the world took upon itself and removed Assad

Oh yeah and let ISIS terrorise the region again? What crap. Refugees can stay in Turkey until things cool down, it’s a safe country and close to their homeland.

I mean, it would be far cheaper to just pay Erdogan another bribe

@Lweji
Smart comment, but as to be expected on here
Back to topic...So, the egos of 2 people should dictate the lives of millions of other people.
I honestly thought that shit ended with PolPot, Hitler and all the other narcissistic greedy self absorbed dictators.

China needs to decide who’s side they're on. Little putin and his little dog Assad would think twice if the US, NATO and the mighty Chinese armed forces suddenly decided enough is enough.
The cost in terms of economies as other nations are just expected to absorb tens of millions of migrants is simply ridiculous. These people have a home and I’m damn sure they wish their home was as safe what we take for granted here in the west.
It all comes down to money, doesn’t it? Money, Power and stupid fucking egos!!

I work with unaccompanied asylum seeking children (under 18) and lately there has been a huge influx mainly in Brighton.

I have to agree that they are mainly male, I have not yet worked with even one refugee girl. I don't really understand the reasons but I know that it can be very dangerous crossing boarders and many of the young people I work with have had friends or family members killed on the journey.

Before they reach the UK, the majority have tried to settle in other countries (turkey, Belgium, France etc) but they are literally treated as animals and are chased by police, risk being detained and some have even held in mental health hospitals as there is nowhere else to keep them.

Some of the things these kids have been through are soul destroying, and I genuinely admire their optimism and general behaviour. I could never even imagine my children having to watch me be raped and murdered, or their father stabbed to death by police in their own home.

I also work with young people from this country and I can honestly say that a lot of the asylum seekers are more "deserving" of being in the country and certainly waste less of taxpayers money.

The only point I agree with is the housing crisis and there not being enough properties to house them in. However they are generally more happy to occupy shared housing and the majority are extremely grateful for any accommodation that they are offered.

Before they reach the UK, the majority have tried to settle in other countries (turkey, Belgium, France etc) but they are literally treated as animals and are chased by police, risk being detained and some have even held in mental health hospitals as there is nowhere else to keep them

You are saying that France and Belgium aren't considered safe countries? Having spent 13 years in Belgium, I don't think that asylum seekers are treated as animals, there was a concerted effort to get them settled and sorted; language classes put in place and financial help given.

Smart comment, but as to be expected on here

It's easy to say put Assad and Putin in their place.
Putin has nuclear weapons.
Putin has a veto in the UN Security Council.

What do you propose?

Belgium is a safe country, much more so than the UK if truth be told. Law and order is strong there. If immigrants do not like western laws and order, of course, it’s a different matter.
And you are right after a fashion, contentedsoul, the world runs on money and power: the will and capability to defend one’s own. Putin has both. ‘Getting rid’ of him, when he has the support of his people would require one hell of a war. China is on China’s side. We can probably be grateful that they’re happy to let those outside their geographical influence keep their own sovereignty!

There's an awful lot you're taking on trust there, springbored
Nobody doubts for an instant that genuine refugees have suffered some appalling traumas, but a well-practised script of what's happened/how they've been treated elsewhere is reportedly pretty common among economic migrants too

I wonder if you'd still feel they're all "deserving of being in the country" if who was who was firmly established, or would you prefer us to just take them all without any effort to find that out?

I can't click on the link for some reason, so all I know is is that you're talking about refugees in general. My heart does go out to genuine refugees however look at the crisis we are in at the moment, with talks of hospitals having to choose who to treat when it comes to coronavirus as they don't have the resources or capacity to treat everyone. If we don't have the resources to look after the numbers that we do have then why bring even more people into the country? It just doesn't make sense.

springbored I admire your work and defence of youngsters you work with. Perhaps you need to look more into the backgrounds of some of the “less deserving” youngsters here though. I don’t know which ones you’ve worked with but the UK is not a paradise at its lower levels and many of those who go off the rails have witnessed and lived with ongoing violence in their homes and streets - ongoing if not as extreme as that you hear about. The state is rarely a friend to such youngsters, and as the economy contracts with no plans for redistribution things will only get worse. They are dispossessed in what’s supposed to be their own country too, surrounded by the lucky ones and better-off who are largely oblivious to their realities.

Perhaps you need to look more into the backgrounds of some of the “less deserving” youngsters here though

Seriously. If we have feral youth or whatever roaming the streets, that’s certainly something we should attend to; and we are best placed to do so instead of letting them languish.

Funny you have all this empathy for refugees but not for underprivileged youth growing up in the UK.

A patient told me they wanted a better walking aid than the one the nhs gave them. I said go and buy one and they said no nhs free. UK people buy them when they want a pretty one refugees think everything should be free.