To think that some Mumsnetters hate men?

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Am I being unreasonable to think that some (not all) mumsnetters hate men and can’t wait to jump in and tell women to leave their husbands?

Obviously there are a lot of stories on here about husbands/boyfriends/dads that sound like arseholes but the amount of comments I see from strangers telling women to leave their men for making a mistake is crazy!!

Why can’t you handle the fact that men are more violent than women, without assuming the person saying it must hate men?

//// Absolutely. I've yet to meet a woman or girl who has been cat called (possibly in school uniform) or touched up on public transport or in a club/bar, by a woman.

This sums it up by *Bucking

But as a group, men could be significantly better.*

I think if you disagree with this as a statement you must be living under a rock.

o be honest, I see more posters twisting themselves into knots trying to justify some man or other being an utter arsehole

Exactly what I was saying. I agree- I have seen this far, far more often than someone screaming "LTB!" because he once left the top off the toothpaste

Sorry, meant sentiment, not statement. Before accusations of hive mind start to fly

What questions do you have Angels?

Funny how you and pumper say the same thing isn't it? "Oh, you just ignore my questions" when the truth is that I answer your questions but neither of you do. You just chuck out insults and inflammatory comments and then pat yourselves on the back.

That's exactly what I think. I've never seen anyone recommend a poster leaves their partner unless their partner is abusive

Agree, and the mental health thing drives me nuts. No matter how bad or inappropriate a man behaves, someone will come along to ask if he has depression/autism/mental health problems. I’m yet to ever see that suggested in the case of an unreasonable MiL or just a woman in general.

Absolutely. I've yet to meet a woman or girl who has been cat called (possibly in school uniform) or touched up on public transport or in a club/bar, by a woman.

But that's never happened to me from a man either, so what does that prove?

I’m yet to ever see that suggested in the case of an unreasonable MiL or just a woman in general

Ive noticed this too! MH issues are never wheeled out as an excuse when it comes to a MIL problem are they? nope- then, its just because she's a raging bitch lol

There was a thread on here a few years ago asking if posters had been sexually assaulted in any way. I have never ever seen a thread fill up as quickly and every single person said yes.

I've seen it loads with regards to mil - particularly asking if she's got dementia.

What questions do you have Angels?

I’m not repeating myself, go back and read.

But that's never happened to me from a man either, so what does that prove

Its happened to me and all my friends multiple times.

Ive noticed this too! MH issues are never wheeled out as an excuse when it comes to a MIL problem are they? nope- then, its just because she's a raging bitch lol

It’s a real stark difference isn’t it?! Glad I’m not the only one to have noticed!

A lot of men hate women. That's the bigger problem.

This is exactly the problem.

I don't hat men, I hate the attitude some a lot of men have towards women, and I hate the way society allows it and makes excuses for it. The misogyny is so ingrained.

I’m not repeating myself, go back and read

I have and I can't see any. If you won't engage like an adult that I'm not wasting my time responding to you.

If you've got a question ask it.

But that's never happened to me from a man either, so what does that prove?

That it’s not all about you?

I have and I can't see any. If you won't engage like an adult that I'm not wasting my time responding to you

Ok, you’ve gone back and checked but couldn’t see any questions from me?! Amazing. Well here was one for you that you somehow missed:

And do you want to talk about the number of violent male celebrities who have beaten women but still have their careers and plenty of support? I mean if you’re so convinced violent men are treated harsher, then their careers should be in tatters shouldn’t they?

*It's the double standards that I hate so much.

Woman posts concerned that her husband might be cheating - cue lots of supportive, sympathetic posts advising her to hack into his phone to find proof, get her ducks in a row, find a shit hot lawyer, chuck him and his stuff out and change the locks.

Man posts concerned his wife is cheating - cue lots of posts telling him he must be a rubbish husband, doesn't do enough in the home or with the children and is no doubt getting his just desserts.*
That said, a poster was once told by a Private Detective that when a woman asks him to investigate suspected infidelity by her husband, her suspicions will be confirmed 90% of the time. When a man commissions him, there will only be anything in it 30% of the time.

*It's the double standards that I hate so much.

Woman posts concerned that her husband might be cheating - cue lots of supportive, sympathetic posts advising her to hack into his phone to find proof, get her ducks in a row, find a shit hot lawyer, chuck him and his stuff out and change the locks.

Man posts concerned his wife is cheating - cue lots of posts telling him he must be a rubbish husband, doesn't do enough in the home or with the children and is no doubt getting his just desserts.*
That said, a poster was once told by a Private Detective that when a woman asks him to investigate suspected infidelity by her husband, her suspicions will be confirmed 90% of the time. When a man commissions him, there will only be anything in it 30% of the time.

Then what relevance does the

"My friends have never been catcalled or touched up by a woman" post have either?

It's not all about them either is it?

I wonder if it would be worth having a NAMALTers section of MN. I'm sure a more appropriate name could be found Then all the posts that think MN has a hive mind; that don't understand class analysis; that don't want to take responsibility for teaching their DCs the facts about DV and EA and sexual assault; that struggle with MN being female-centred could easily find each other rather than trying to derail every other thread. Of course, they already have other forums all over the internet (and arguably the media, the judicial system and the political establishment) but since they seem to gravitate to MN to tell women what they think and why women are wrong, it might be nice if they were given a section.

Why can’t you handle the fact that men are more violent than women, without assuming the person saying it must hate men

I can handle this, Angels, it's true. I've never assumed anyone hates men.

My question was, do you believe that innocent men exist, and if so, do you think they should be judged negatively because guilty men exist.

And I've just had another look Angels and I answered all of your questions on the previous page.

It's not all about them either is it

The point is- this is a common experience that affects many, many women. Not all, but many. Sexual assault and sexual harassment at work also affects many, many women. Not all, but many.
Therefore, you cannot blame those many, many women for being wary of men due to the experiences they have had. The fact is- that behaviour simply does not happen to the same extent the other way around. I have never ever heard of a man saying he was sexually harassed at work. Now, that doesnt mean it cant happen or its never happened but the fact it happens SO OFTEN to women is something that cannot be ignored and it should be addressed. Same with catcalling, sexual assault, rape etc

I think caroline flack needs to be taken out of this argument she is dead and cannot defend herself we have his testimony that she hit him while sleeping not hers

If she did it then its indefensible but she is dead and he cant say that's not what happened now because he would be lynched because she killed herself

My friends have never been catcalled or touched up by a woman" post have either?

It's not all about the either

Because facts and statistics. Just because something hasn’t happened to you personally, doesn’t mean it’s not an issue. Men commit of 99% of sex crimes, so saying “well it’s not happened to me” is dismissive of the huge numbers of women and girls it has happened to.