To think that some Mumsnetters hate men?

[Ruby8719]

Am I being unreasonable to think that some (not all) mumsnetters hate men and can’t wait to jump in and tell women to leave their husbands?

Obviously there are a lot of stories on here about husbands/boyfriends/dads that sound like arseholes but the amount of comments I see from strangers telling women to leave their men for making a mistake is crazy!!

Hooves I think it’s pretty obvious from my posts that I’ve talked to my sons about what society expects from them - I think I actually said ‘how society will absolve them from responsibility’. How likely is it I told them about which are the best strip clubs? Did I touch a nerve?

So you, the judge of all that is equal and fair, gave EXACTLY the same advice to your son and your daughter about issues around sex? Of course you didn’t.

From what I've read here many posters actually think domestic abuse committed by women is wrong and should be addressed however if one sex is regularly being murdered by the other during a similar incident that is a much bigger problem. Violence against women is without doubt more deadly. I think that is where the bias comes from.

And this argument was used on the Caroline Flack threads - that more women are killed by men, but in reality hitting someone over the head with a lamp as they sleep and it's only luck that doesn't see you on a murder charge.

In my view, if anyone posts asking for help because they are in an abusive relationship I'm not about to start entering into debates as to who has it worse.

Well, reading the Caroline Flack and Jonny Depp threads most do think that domestic violence against men is at least excusable, if not acceptable

What bullshit. The abuse Caroline Flack got was disgusting, from both the press and public, Johnny Depp didn’t receive anything close to it. Maybe youre blind to this because it doesn’t suit your Poor Men theme tune?

How likely is it I told them about which are the best strip clubs? Did I touch a nerve?

You asked me what advice I gave my children about porn and strip clubs. I replied that I gave them none because what advise do you give - the best one to go to? What advice do you give?

As for did I give them the same advice around sex - yes I did because our discussions happened together so they were both part of them. What would I have said differently to one and not the other?

As very young children they were taught about boundaries - there's and other people's. That was the same for both of them.

Peer pressure, doing the right thing, - same for both.

Personal safety - same for both

Contraception - both taught about everything.

Periods, puberty, bodies - both taught exactly the same.

Relationships, consent, respect - applies to both.

I'm not sure what I should have taught differently. These issues were addressed throughout their lives so it was a gradual process. We didn't sit them down at a certain age and have "the talk". It happened incrementally throughout their lives.

Also look at the Ched Evans case, all the support he got from his fans where as the victim had to move away from her family and friends and change her identity because of a hatred she received.

The abuse Caroline Flack got was disgusting, from both the press and public, Johnny Depp didn’t receive anything close to it. Maybe youre blind to this because it doesn’t suit your Poor Men theme tune?

CF was charged with assault. How should she have treated by the press? Do you think they shouldn't have reported on it?

AngelsSins

But I'm not defending that. That's wrong.

But how are people who defended CF any different to the people defending CE?

Does it occur to you that many men hate women? Mners included?

CF was charged with assault. How should she have treated by the press? Do you think they shouldn't have reported on it?

Is innocent until proven guilty just for men then?

Because no one drove CF’s partner to flee his home and family and change his identity did they? There was no hate aimed at him for speaking up.

I don’t think a lot of users here hate men but I do know that they seem very well able to recognize abuse and misogyny.

Which is good because so many women have been brainwashed by society that ‘there are issues in every marriage/relationship’.

Maybe youre blind to this because it doesn’t suit your Poor Men theme tune

Some of us don't like to see inequality whichever way it goes. Mine is more like a 'Poor Mistreated People' theme tune. What's your tune called @Angelsins?

And do you want to talk about the number of violent male celebrities who have beaten women but still have their careers and plenty of support? I mean if you’re so convinced violent men are treated harsher, then their careers should be in tatters shouldn’t they?

Some of us don't like to see inequality whichever way it goes. Mine is more like a 'Poor Mistreated People' theme tune. What's your tune called @Angelsins?

Err, reality, facts, not playing pretend that women are “just as bad” as men.

Giving advice when asked is OK and would relate to the behaviour of the person to the poster
Its not about gender
Its about behaviour

Do you agree though, Angels that it's unfair to judge innocent men negatively because of the existence of guilty men? Do you believe that innocent men exist?

You almost have a point but you fail to realise there are men on this site too and they are also the ones saying LTB

Do you agree though, Angels that it's unfair to judge innocent men negatively because of the existence of guilty men? Do you believe that innocent men exist?

Where have I ever said that I don’t? This is the thing, I talk about facts, statistics and how women are disadvantaged and that gets twisted into this warped idea that I must hate all men and none are innocent! Why is that? Why can’t you handle the fact that men are more violent than women, without assuming the person saying it must hate men?

Not naming names but has anyone else noticed how it's always the same couple of handmaidens/mansplainers who wade in on posts like this shouting notallmen

I'm not fond of men as a class. Individual men can be lovely. But as a group, men could be significantly better.

Is innocent until proven guilty just for men then?

Well, you'd think wouldn't you? How many high profile cases has this not applied to though?

I don’t hate men. Just the stupid ones.

There was no hate aimed at him for speaking up.

Omg, I've just seen this gem.

Are you kidding? Did you not read the comments on Facebook, on newspaper articles, on line? It was disgusting.

Well, you'd think wouldn't you? How many high profile cases has this not applied to though?

How about you answer some of my questions first? You’re very selective in what points you like to talk about aren’t you?

To be honest, I see more posters twisting themselves into knots trying to justify some man or other being an utter arsehole.

That's exactly what I think. I've never seen anyone recommend a poster leaves their partner unless their partner is abusive.