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Son & wife's attitude issues

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doyafeellucky · 01/03/2020 20:42

Sorry, this has turned into a longer post than intended but even then, I cannot describe all the situations and my frustrations.

Ive always been one to think I can work out problems but Im at my wits ends now. My wife and I both love our adult son who is now in his early 30's. Before our son and now wife were engaged and married, we thought we had made her feel welcome in both our home and family.

At first things seemed good. We have no problem with our son living a full independent life but, a number of things have hurt me. Im growing tired of the disregard being displayed by our son towards us and I feel we are being made into second choices. I dont expect our son to put us on a pedestal but think he and his wife should be sharing occasions more between the families rather than seeming to prioritise the others.

Prior to their marriage, I was shocked when we were told his future mother in law was organising a birthday bash for our son and would we like to come along? It was almost an after thought but hindsight suggests it was a hint of what was to come.

As most parents do nowadays, Bank of Mum & Dad, both us and our son's future mother in law helped them buy their first home. I didnt know at the time but her mother and partner were invited to house welcoming meal. We got no such invite which I find upsetting to say the least.

With initial income being tight, we asked if they'd like to come for tea, nothing special, once a month and they agreed. Everything was fine for the first 5 or 6 months. After one meal where my wife had spent time preparing, our son's fiancee decided she wanted to leave straight after the meal. I suggested my wife wanted some time to talk with them as she'd been preparing the meal and just upping and leaving was a bit unfair on her. Apparently that didnt bode well.

Later, we learnt my son's then fiancee started saying we were 'too formal,' whatever that means. Next our son says his fiancee didnt like coming to our home which meant they started visiting us less. When they visit together, they are always on their way out somewhere else or are coming back so they cannot stay long.

I have noticed she is always looking for an excuse to leave as soon as she arrives no matter how much effort we make to talk. She's more interested in her phone and What's App. But I come in useful at times for her being asked to take her to the nearest railway station from time to time.

Now, the last couple of times they have popped around, she has started staying outside in the car, again, meaning we dont get to see our son for long.

The actual wedding was something else, Our family was made to feel like it was there to make up the numbers. Unknown to us at the time, numerous official pictures of the bride and groom with all her family were taken. Despite members of our extended family being present we got 2 official pictures of my wife, our other son and myself with them. Even then, we were an after thought at seeing and being able to order the official pictures and given just 1 week before orders were no longer being taken. That hurt me enormously, goodness knows how my wife felt.

I later found out that during the evening reception when my wife welcomed our daughter in law into the family, she said our family name was 'sh*t' and she didnt intend using it although she does do so in all letters etc. I would probably have made a scene if my wife had told me this at the time.

It's the same at special occasions. 2 out of the last 3 Christmases, we have had to decamp to her mother's home because 'she always spends Christmas at her mother's and couldnt give a sh*t whether her now husband is with her or not.' Those are her words. We invited her family to ours in return for the first Christmas and would be happy to do so again but their plans are already made etc, etc so sorry we cannot make it.

Both my wife's and my birthday are near Christmas. Im not too bothered about celebrating my birthdays anymore. My wife and I had discussed it and decided to mark her birthday with some informal pub grub. But my son then says his wife doesnt like 'pub grub' which is strange because the last Christmas meal was at a pub! So we ended up having a restaurant meal which was nearer my birthday and not my wife's as I wanted.

The last straw is son and wife came around on Saturday to say they are going out with her mother for Mother's Day and would we like them to visit us 'on the way there or on the way back.'

If these events were being held at my son and his wife's home, Id have no problem with this but every special occasion has to be at her mother's home, venue of choice or involvement. We dont even get the opportunity to ask would you like to go out for Mother's Day, anniversay etc.

I find myself hoping my son and wife do not have any children, I am convinced we would never see them while they'll spend all the time at her mother's.

Im at the point now where I consider I need to make my feelings clear to our son. If he wants to consider us as second choice parents, Im not inclined to make him first choice inheritance.

My wife seems prepared to put up with this while Im not as I think it's only going to get worse and we continue to be pushed aside. I really dont know how to broach the subject with my son. I find it hard to believe he doesnt see what is happening here because there are lots of other things going on that I havent covered.

Basically, how should I approach this? Thank you for reading and any input.

OP posts:
Gemm83 · 02/03/2020 09:56

@doyafeellucky

This is my opinion.. I think DIL is an arsehole.

There are two trains of thought regarding your son. A) That he is completely besotted with the girl and wants to do everything to please her and is completely blind, but he's happy that she's happy and that's all that matters or B) He feels ridiculously awkward about the whole situation and is just trying to keep the peace.

I hope it's B.

She is rude. End of. Sitting out in the car?! Saying your name is shit to your wife?!

My in laws can be quite formal sometimes and can be extremely frustrating (I posted something about them during the week) however I wouldn't dream of not sharing special occasions with them. We tend to eat more at my mums as she is an excellent cook... MiL by her own admission, is not! Hell, we even go on holiday with them each year. I couldn't imagine treating them any different, but that's because I'm not an arsehole! I know some family dynamics are different, which is why this is MY opinion and don't expect everyone to agree with it.

Don't threaten the inheritance. This will only inflame the situation. Next time they come over, and she sits in the car just say "Oh doesn't (insert name) like us anymore?" See what kind of response you get.

TheLastWispsOfSun · 02/03/2020 09:57

It's a tale as old as time unfortunately and this thread is very interesting as you can see the same attitude in a number of posters. Very very unattractive. The person who said 'she married him not his family' - sums up this innate hostility that some people seem have to anyone outside of their little circle of family and friends. To anyone they have not 'chosen'.

I read a quote recently that said 'Be with the "have you eaten yet?" Kind of people. She is the opposite of this. You won't change her unfortunately. The best you can do is keep lines of communication open with your son, make him know that he is always welcome.

You have my sympathy.

cptartapp · 02/03/2020 09:59

I was with you until the inheritance threat. Despicable attitude. Inheritance isn't 'earnt'. It is to be split equally between children regardless of circumstances. How do you think that would affect the sibling relationship after yo. Another old person dangling this carrot.
It says a lot about you tbh. I'd love to hear the other side of the story here.

81Byerley · 02/03/2020 10:01

I'm sorry this is happening to you. You must be very hurt. There's a reason for the old saying "A daughter's a daughter all of her life; A son is a son 'til he takes him a wife".

gingersausage · 02/03/2020 10:02

@doyafeellucky I’d be interested to know what specifically drew you to MUMSnet as a place to get advice on this situation?

originalcobra · 02/03/2020 10:03

Your son is the issue, if he wants to spend time with you then he needs to do so, to speak up, to arrange stuff. Sounds as if she's close to her family, that won't change.
She can choose whatever surname she like for whatever reason she likes.
You're building a wall between you and them, whether or not you mean to. Can you send time with your DS on your own? Does he ever come around on his own? If not, why not? Is there stuff you can do together?
As for disinheriting him - your money your choice but I wouldn't threaten him with it or try to hold it over him, it will not bring him back to the fold. If by some chance, is that what you want? To literally try to buy his love and time?

gingersausage · 02/03/2020 10:03

@81Byerley what a load of sexist outdated bullshit 🙄

originalcobra · 02/03/2020 10:05

The Mother's Day thing is crap tho, there's two mothers and unless there's more to this all it seems a shame that you all just can't go out together.

DottyandOtty · 02/03/2020 10:06

@cptartapp exactly my thoughts. It takes a special kind of person to consider inheritance as a way to manipulate and guilt a child. And PP saying offer to pay for them to come on holiday with you - that looks desperate, manipulative and again, it’s all about you and getting what you want. Speak to your son and find out what they want and what’s gone wrong.

BigFatLiar · 02/03/2020 10:08

Just tell them they're always welcome and leave them to it. You can't make them have a relationship with you if they don't want one. Sadly I suspect the only updates you're likely to get are the happy family posts of them enjoying family time with her family. Your son is going along with it I suspect because he doesn't want to confront the issue. He has a wife and is putting her first, as he should. He does currently arrange to come but she sits in the car, sorry but you're not wanted in her life and so won't feature in his.

Said before seen it all before, my cousin. His wife didn't like my Aunt & Uncle after a while visits stopped, next time Uncle saw cousin was Aunts funeral must have been 10 years later. His wife didn't turn up, nor their children (he never did get to meet them).

BigFatLiar · 02/03/2020 10:16

As for disinheriting, don't, don't even mention it. Just do what my uncle did spent all his money on himself, his family and friends. He had a daughter as well, she got the house (before he died) very little else left all went on holidays etc. Its your money why save it for someone else enjoy it to make your own life better.

thegcatsmother · 02/03/2020 10:20

Since when do parents, who are presumably fully functioning adults, have to roll over to please their adult dcs? So many posters on here seem to think that this should be the case. Sod that.

Hoik · 02/03/2020 10:22

For whatever reason, certain people when they get married set down a course of isolating their partner from their family and friends. It truly is abusive behaviour, but because the culprit is often female, people don't call it out.

This is bullshit. Of course there can be female abusers however the majority of domestic abusers are male.

There is a lot of speculation on here about the DIL, her motives, her thoughts, etc. and an implication that she is to blame for this rift. It could well be that the son is just as much to blame, what is he telling her about his parents and their relationship?

Menopauseandteensdontmix100 · 02/03/2020 10:31

Sorry OP. My BIL seemed to treat DH’s parents like this when they first met and from
time to time. I think BIL is like DH in that he can’t be arsed to think ahead or plan anything whereas SIL is a planner organiser extraordinaire. Her parents are a lot more sociable than DH’s parents and considerably Fitter and younger in age And at heart. Also she has a huge family and extended family who on the face of it were all very sociable, loved each other to bits and lived in each other’s pockets. Anyway now after a few years of marriage her family (siblings) are not as friendly with one another as first appeared and her mother has MH issues and frequently over indulges on alcohol which affects her diabetes. Now DIL ensures her MIL is brought into the fold and has said to me she is much more welcome in her house than her own mother and a few family members. Don’t threaten to disinherit but maybe have a quiet chat with your DS or DIL separately explaining how you feel and see what is said.

Bibidy · 02/03/2020 10:36

OP the only thing you can do is speak to your son.

To me, it does sound like your DIL isn't that keen on your and your wife and therefore doesn't want to spend time with you. It may be that she's also discouraging your son from spending time with you, but you can't know this.

It's best to speak to your son and let him know how you feel, and see if you could arrange to see him without her if she doesn't want to come.

C8H10N4O2 · 02/03/2020 10:42

wife and I are two of the most laid back people you could meet

You really don't come across as such, especially "disinheriting" because your DiL doesn't conform to your fairly specific expectations. What you did when younger is irrelevant, its up to your son how much time he wants to spend with you.

I'm also struck by how much of what you say you "know" about her comes from third parties. I'd be none too happy with a PiL listening to gossip about me.

There is absolutely no reason why she should take your name, prioritise her BiL on mothers day or manage your relationship with your son. All sexist, stereotypical expectations of women.

Mostly though, I'd like to hear her side of the same situation. Manage your own relationship with your son, they are a couple but they still have independent existances. Focus on that relationship.

Comments such as "favourite DiL" make be jokey or they may not. Context is everything. My PiL used to call MiL his "favourite wife" which everyone found terribly funny except her. Which is why he did it.

namechangetheworld · 02/03/2020 10:42

If this had been your daughter and you were writing about then your son-in-law would be a controlling bastard and she should leave him. However its a daughter in law and she's fine

This. Some of these replies are embarrassing to read.

TheLastWispsOfSun · 02/03/2020 10:46

@namechangetheworld completely agree. Double standards.

C8H10N4O2 · 02/03/2020 10:46

If this had been your daughter and you were writing about then your son-in-law would be a controlling bastard and she should leave him. However its a daughter in law and she's fine

Trying to remember the last time I saw an OP complaining that their SiL simply wasn't facilitating their relationship with their own daughter. Any examples to hand?

I've not seen the OP describe anything that suggests the DiL is preventing them seeing their son or exercising coercive control, just that she doesn't conform to their expectations of a DiL.

Brefugee · 02/03/2020 10:48

Blimey, Brave OP to post on AIBU on a forum full of daughters in law many of whom seem to have massive ILs issues.

I don't get why you're getting such a pasting but FWIW i think you need to reasses what you want from DIL and reduce it to: very little contact.

For your Son: i'd invite him round, try to have a relationship and see how it goes (don't talk about DIL unless he says something). And if they offer crumbs you can take them or leave them but i think you have to accept that's what you're going to get and that is your life now. Do you anything with your other son (what's your relationship with him like?).

Your DIL sounds like a rude brat, tbh if my DIL sat out in her car I'd be sending my son out to join her.

I hope the inheritance thing was only in your head and you haven't said it? That's something you can just do, you don't have to explain yourself in advance. When you're gone if they're fighting about it, it won't be affecting you, will it? (sorry to be blunt)

TBH my "D"B has been mostly AWOL since he married and rarely sees our DM but they're constantly (birthdays, mothers day, Christmas, kids birthays) round at his MIL. These things hurt, but there's not much to be done, is there?

lowlandLucky · 02/03/2020 10:50

A son is his Mothers until he takes a wife
A daughter is a friend for life.

OP You need to point out to your Son who hurtful he is being to his Mother. Your DIL is just a rude woman, dont spend another penny or a moments thought on her, she doesnt like your fmily and she never will, yet she was happy to take your money.

bugbhaer · 02/03/2020 10:52

I don't think OP sounds uptisht, formal, full on or hard work at all.

I think that the choice of title says a lot. “Attitude issues”? Why not something about the relationship not being as close as they’d like, or something about spending more time together?

Brefugee · 02/03/2020 10:54

A son is his Mothers until he takes a wife
A daughter is a friend for life.

I swear if i see this bullshit trotted out one more time I'm going to pop an artery. How the heck are we supposed to confront sexism when we perpetuate this kind of shit ourselves?

Bibidy · 02/03/2020 10:54

If this had been your daughter and you were writing about then your son-in-law would be a controlling bastard and she should leave him. However its a daughter in law and she's fine

Agree BUT OP needs to establish how his son feels in all this before DIL is condemned. She does sound difficult, but it also doesn't seem that his son is trying to remedy the situation, or is even seeing his parents on his own without her.

For all we know, DIL isn't keen on her in-laws, but her husband isn't fussed about spending time together either.

Hoik · 02/03/2020 10:58

A son is his Mothers until he takes a wife. A daughter is a friend for life.

I swear if i see this bullshit trotted out one more time I'm going to pop an artery. How the heck are we supposed to confront sexism when we perpetuate this kind of shit ourselves?

Same.

It is absolute crap. As I said in my earlier post I know plenty of men who manage to have a relationship with their own parents despite being married, my own brothers included. This say is sexist rubbish that basically says it's okay for sons/men to fuck off and live their own lives, doing whatever they like, while a daughter/woman is expected to remain dutiful and subservient.

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