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Son & wife's attitude issues

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doyafeellucky · 01/03/2020 20:42

Sorry, this has turned into a longer post than intended but even then, I cannot describe all the situations and my frustrations.

Ive always been one to think I can work out problems but Im at my wits ends now. My wife and I both love our adult son who is now in his early 30's. Before our son and now wife were engaged and married, we thought we had made her feel welcome in both our home and family.

At first things seemed good. We have no problem with our son living a full independent life but, a number of things have hurt me. Im growing tired of the disregard being displayed by our son towards us and I feel we are being made into second choices. I dont expect our son to put us on a pedestal but think he and his wife should be sharing occasions more between the families rather than seeming to prioritise the others.

Prior to their marriage, I was shocked when we were told his future mother in law was organising a birthday bash for our son and would we like to come along? It was almost an after thought but hindsight suggests it was a hint of what was to come.

As most parents do nowadays, Bank of Mum & Dad, both us and our son's future mother in law helped them buy their first home. I didnt know at the time but her mother and partner were invited to house welcoming meal. We got no such invite which I find upsetting to say the least.

With initial income being tight, we asked if they'd like to come for tea, nothing special, once a month and they agreed. Everything was fine for the first 5 or 6 months. After one meal where my wife had spent time preparing, our son's fiancee decided she wanted to leave straight after the meal. I suggested my wife wanted some time to talk with them as she'd been preparing the meal and just upping and leaving was a bit unfair on her. Apparently that didnt bode well.

Later, we learnt my son's then fiancee started saying we were 'too formal,' whatever that means. Next our son says his fiancee didnt like coming to our home which meant they started visiting us less. When they visit together, they are always on their way out somewhere else or are coming back so they cannot stay long.

I have noticed she is always looking for an excuse to leave as soon as she arrives no matter how much effort we make to talk. She's more interested in her phone and What's App. But I come in useful at times for her being asked to take her to the nearest railway station from time to time.

Now, the last couple of times they have popped around, she has started staying outside in the car, again, meaning we dont get to see our son for long.

The actual wedding was something else, Our family was made to feel like it was there to make up the numbers. Unknown to us at the time, numerous official pictures of the bride and groom with all her family were taken. Despite members of our extended family being present we got 2 official pictures of my wife, our other son and myself with them. Even then, we were an after thought at seeing and being able to order the official pictures and given just 1 week before orders were no longer being taken. That hurt me enormously, goodness knows how my wife felt.

I later found out that during the evening reception when my wife welcomed our daughter in law into the family, she said our family name was 'sh*t' and she didnt intend using it although she does do so in all letters etc. I would probably have made a scene if my wife had told me this at the time.

It's the same at special occasions. 2 out of the last 3 Christmases, we have had to decamp to her mother's home because 'she always spends Christmas at her mother's and couldnt give a sh*t whether her now husband is with her or not.' Those are her words. We invited her family to ours in return for the first Christmas and would be happy to do so again but their plans are already made etc, etc so sorry we cannot make it.

Both my wife's and my birthday are near Christmas. Im not too bothered about celebrating my birthdays anymore. My wife and I had discussed it and decided to mark her birthday with some informal pub grub. But my son then says his wife doesnt like 'pub grub' which is strange because the last Christmas meal was at a pub! So we ended up having a restaurant meal which was nearer my birthday and not my wife's as I wanted.

The last straw is son and wife came around on Saturday to say they are going out with her mother for Mother's Day and would we like them to visit us 'on the way there or on the way back.'

If these events were being held at my son and his wife's home, Id have no problem with this but every special occasion has to be at her mother's home, venue of choice or involvement. We dont even get the opportunity to ask would you like to go out for Mother's Day, anniversay etc.

I find myself hoping my son and wife do not have any children, I am convinced we would never see them while they'll spend all the time at her mother's.

Im at the point now where I consider I need to make my feelings clear to our son. If he wants to consider us as second choice parents, Im not inclined to make him first choice inheritance.

My wife seems prepared to put up with this while Im not as I think it's only going to get worse and we continue to be pushed aside. I really dont know how to broach the subject with my son. I find it hard to believe he doesnt see what is happening here because there are lots of other things going on that I havent covered.

Basically, how should I approach this? Thank you for reading and any input.

OP posts:
Dashel · 02/03/2020 08:46

I don’t think the woman should do the wife work at all!!

I think the son has organised things when the wife waits in the car which is plain nasty and rude. I would expect both partners to make an equal effort to want to spend time with each other’s family but I know if I repeatedly said to my husband that I hated going to his parents and if I did go I either waited in the car or spent the entire time on my phone he wouldn’t be encouraged to take me to see his parents and he certainly wouldn’t want to spend Christmas in that atmosphere. He would tackle my rudeness and try and work things out.

I know Mumsnet women don’t like in-laws and I hope some of you realise that your future DILs may not like you and might treat you like you treat your MILs!

I don’t have DC but my BIL does and my PIL were second fiddle to her parents with a lot of hurtful things happening to them. They aren’t perfect but they didn’t deserve how they were treated.

Without abuse or special circumstances we should be kind to family because not liking your in-laws isn’t a reason to keep your spouse from them or DC or to ensure they miss out on all the things your parents get to do.

Evilspiritgin · 02/03/2020 08:50

I bet though if anything happened to op and his wife, the dil would be there palms extended though

moondance19 · 02/03/2020 08:50

You sound very needy and quite aggressive

How is it needy to want to see his son more. Some people just can’t win can they.

HelgaHere1 · 02/03/2020 08:56

Is there history in the family of this? History repeats itself. Families fall out all the time.
I think that you must come over as overbearing to your DS. And your DW as a dutiful wife. So a bit set in the 50s and not what DS and dil want to emulate.
You mean well but you have another son. And you seem relatively young and fit , retired?, you should be busy with your own lives. I have adult DCs and GCs but it's a matter of fitting things in around our own lives.
I wonder if you are an only child and you have this idea of the dream family you didn't have growing up.
Despite what others may think both my wife and I just want to enjoy my son's life and future. This suggests that your life and happiness hinges on being part of your son's. He is an adult now so this will not happen. None of my DC or DCinlaw want advice about their careers, money, politics etc so what to chat about on long visits??
What I would do is ask them or just him , to join you and DS2 for a meal out somewhere decent once a month . The DIL sitting outside in the car is pretty clearly saying she doesn't like you, it says more about her tho' , very rude, and about DS, he is prepared to hurt your feelings. It's very sad but you can't fix it.

diddl · 02/03/2020 08:56

Well DIL doesn't sound nice & your son is obviously OK to go along with her.

Why I wonder?

To say that they are taking MIL out for the day & will fit his mum in around that sounds awful, like his mum is an afterthought.

Why not just say that they'd see his mum for breakfast/afternoon tea or something?

Or spend the day separately with their own mums?

Your son needs to be stepping up though.

Why isn't he saying that he wants to see his mum on mother's day/his parents on Christmas Day?

McCanne · 02/03/2020 09:02

The more I read the responses on the thread the more I’m wondering what the son is doing in all this. You daughter in law is including your son in her wider family eg seeing her mum on Mother’s Day. What does your son do in terms of maintaining his relationship with his mum either with or without his wife in tow? What involvement did your son have in arranging his wedding? Who is arranging the visits where his wife is sitting outside in the car? Sitting outside is undeniably rude.

5zeds · 02/03/2020 09:05

She married him not the family.

Poppyfields12 · 02/03/2020 09:11

To be honest OP you just don’t seem to get it. You write 19 paragraphs about how awful your DIL is in comparison to how perfect you and your wife are, ask for suggestion to resolve your differences, and then label everyone a troll if they don’t agree with you.

If I was you I would a) reflect on how you may have contributed to the disintegration of the relationship. If you can’t think of anything then you aren’t trying hard enough, and b) Take a step back, if they go to her mothers house for Christmas then perhaps suggest a new tradition of Christmas Eve dinner at your place, if they say they can stop by on the way through on Mother’s Day then say “that would be lovely” and put out some tea and biscuits.

Bibidy · 02/03/2020 09:14

@doyafeellucky I feel for you.

I'm surprised so many people are giving you so much grief here, your DIL is sitting outside your house in the car rather than coming into visit! That's rude by anyone's standards, surely?

Unfortunately I do think it can often be harder for the family of the man in a relationship and quite often the woman does arrange things more often with her own family. Does your son ever try to arrange things with you and your wife?

Would he be willing to see you both without his wife?

Fabord · 02/03/2020 09:15

Hi @doyafeellucky Smile There is some really excellent advice on the pages after which you last commented - really hope you get to read those ones! It's clear you are able to express yourself in writing, are conscientious, and caring - even honest enough to express your resentful feelings, which come from the hurt which is so evident.

Ignore the posters who find issue with what you've written - borne from a combination of reading something meaningful and genuine which has been written by both a man and a father who cares about others (not being around such people in their life growing up brings out a rage in them!! It's a psychological reaction).

People who use terms like "dick move" and "twattish" are a certain 'type' of person....... they are the same people who will react to someone IRL who speaks well as being fake or "posh" or whatever else - no point trying to reason! Tolerance for strangers who we do not yet know is difficult for them. Being able to write without using derogatory language attracts resentment from people who don't get it, unfortunately.

Your DIL may think that singing to her own tune and hurting you and your wife is OK, just as long as she can avoid having to confront it. Her mind set is built like this and unlikely to change unfortunately. Your son also may be complicit in wanting an easy life. He may have too easily suggested avoiding something to begin with, if it made her uncomfortable, which then snow balled into total alienation.

Just remember most of us are reasonable, decent people, and can empathise - and similar situations have rolled on in other people's lives but not necessarily broken the bond between the parent and child. Good luck and I second the opinion of the guy who said you need to box clever with this. Also put yourselves first now and try to do your own thing for a while.

crispysausagerolls · 02/03/2020 09:17

Everyone saying OP sounds “full on” - ffs of course it sounds “full on” if he has to post everything over the span of 3 years in one post.

I think it’s fairly understandable that they are annoyed. Wife is being rude. Sitting in the car? Who does that?! If there’s an issue the son should address it. Wife’s attitude stinks, frankly. Maybe she prefers her family but of course it’s polite to make an effort with in-laws (if you give a shit about your husband).

Rabblemum · 02/03/2020 09:17

My ex was an awful person but I preferred his family to mine. His family liked the beach and would take my baby daughter while I swam in the sea (my favourite thing), Sunday dinner was relaxed, I could moan about my boring, part time jobs, we watched “East Enders”. My family we’re indoors people, would brag about their jobs and insist on nothing but intelligent conversation.

Talk to your son and take the pressure off. After a few over formal, stressful Christmas dinners we now go to Pizza Express and it’s almost fun.

You sound possessive and uptight, this behaviour would make a lot of people run away.

CallmeAngelina · 02/03/2020 09:23

Do not underestimate the statement your dil is making by remaining in the car whilst your son visits.
This is likely a more serious rift than you think.

LaurieMarlow · 02/03/2020 09:26

People who use terms like "dick move" and "twattish" are a certain 'type' of person....... they are the same people who will react to someone IRL who speaks well as being fake or "posh" or whatever else

Confused

Total non sequitur

AngelsSins · 02/03/2020 09:31

It’s always the DILs fault isn’t it? This is YOUR son, you raised him, he’s not surgically attached to your DiL so stop blaming her for your lack of time with him. He clearly doesn’t want to spend that much time with you or he would, he’s a grown man, not a baby. If your DiL arranges things with her family, inviting them round etc, then it’s not her fault that your son doesn’t do the same. Women always get the blame for this stuff, do you think if a parent came on here complaining that she didn’t see much of her daughter, she’d blame in on her SIL not including them enough?!

Stop looking for a scape goat and focus on why your son doesn’t want to spend much time with you.

EdgarAlanPoe · 02/03/2020 09:34

Sitting in the car? Why did she even bother going?

It to make him hurry up. I’d make a point of striding over and saying your not coming in love?’

I’d also stop the lifts to the train station.

EmeraldsAtDawn · 02/03/2020 09:34

Two things stand out to me here:

One, that you use quite emotive and antognistic language. I suspect that is because you are very, very hurt and trying to convey it. However, the problem with doing that is that it can alienate the other party if they feel attacked or emotionally manipulated. If you're going to have a conversation with your son about the situation it might help to think ahead about ways to neutralise your language so that you have the best shot of him hearing you rather than just reacting, iyswim.

Two, money and favours never mean somone will love you the way you want them to. It's a hard lesson for most of us but money does not buy love. So, you either give money freely with no expectation or you wait to be disappointed.

DottyandOtty · 02/03/2020 09:37

I think my PIL could have written your post. It sounds like a heartbreaking situation but I can’t help but think something must have happened that caused a DIL who would come for monthly dinners to now stay in the car when they visit.

I find my PIL suffocating and formal. It’s just how they do ‘family’ - everyone waits to have a sit down breakfast together which lasts a couple of hours on the weekend. Conversation is psychoanalysing friends or my family, through very intense and probing questioning. DH often excused himself to go to the toilet and I’d be left there floundering. It was a DH problem. But DH had a PIL problem. I now encourage him to see them on his own and when they visit us I make myself scarce for the day. He doesn’t look forward to seeing them, as he finds them negative and draining. It is a duty for him and he’s looking at counselling to try and understand this. The point tipped for him when we had our daughter and his parents just brought negativity to us in those early months. His mum nearly had him in tears on the phone as he tried to explain that she couldn’t come to visit on a set date we already had plans. She was just hounding and bullying him.

PIL also caused huge scenes when we were to spend our first Christmas together as a couple and have made it known that they expect me to make them feel loved and appreciated through cards and gifts on occasions.

I have completely withdrawn from them. Any attempts they make to push towards us are causing DH to pull back more. I know they think I’m pulling the strings, they’ve said as much, but it really is him.

I think you should stop all pressure and expectations. You have no understanding at all what’s happening from their perspective, and just pinning it on DIL will do you no favours in resolving this. I’d have a chat with your son and explain that you feel something is changing and you want to understand why. Hopefully that will give you some clarity on what’s gone wrong.

moondance19 · 02/03/2020 09:41

Someone said up thread they’d like to hear the Dils version of events. Well if she’s anything like my toxic Sil she’ll no doubt dredge up some long forgotten (by everyone but her) remark the op or his wife might have made that she’s hung on to and twisted to suit her agenda. A nice normal person realises that everyone says things that can come out the wrong way and isn’t meant maliciously and just move on and forget it. I bet Op that either you or your wife have “upset” her by some trivial thing and because of it she’s demonised you to your son and therefore justifies her hostility because of it. No matter what you did she’ll have picked up on something. I pity your son really, he’ll have a hard life having to put up with her.

NeedCoffeeNowRightNow · 02/03/2020 09:45

Is your son the forgetful type?

When DH and I met, I would make plans for important events and ask him whether they would work for him. If I didn't remind him, he completely forgot to take his family or friends into consideration. Without fail, he would remember them on the day, we would "just quickly stop by" and the "quick" stop would take hours, essentially cancelling my well-planned plan and ruining it for the people we were actually supposed to meet.

If he hadn't changed or I hadn't fallen into the habit of reminding him during the early planning stage, this would still be happening. And I could absolutely see it turn into a situaton in which I sit in the car to make sure DH doesn't turn a "10 minutes max, promise!"-stop into hours just because he didn't bother to use his brain for a moment. I would expect him to own up to the people he meets then ("sorry, cocked up, my fault - see you on the weekend") but it could well be that your son does precisely this but does not own up to it.

Fluffybutter · 02/03/2020 09:48

I’m shocked so many people think the OP is being unfair .
Apart from the inheritance thing which I think would go very badly if you were to say that to him , I can completely understand how you and your wife feel hurt and left out.
As for the other posters on this thread, I don’t see how they can comment as to how she’s been “welcomed into the family” how the hell could we possibly know how they’ve done that and that is was wrong .
I don’t understand why so many are siding with a dil who sounds like a pain in the arse

countrygirl99 · 02/03/2020 09:48

The thing that strikes me is you keep saying you are perfectly happy for your son to live up his own life as if that's a big thing. It shouldn't need saying. If I was picking up that vibe I would be running in the opposite direction as fast as I could. Because it really does come across as controlling.

MushroomTree · 02/03/2020 09:48

I can see why you're upset to be honest.

You gave them a presumably not insignificant amount of money towards a house and they weren't even polite enough to invite you for dinner as a thank you?

You're in a rock and a hard place situation though. If you push for more time and comment on how they spend their time you'll be told you're interfering and controlling. If you step back and let them come to you, you'll be made out to be not bothering with them or making an effort.

Ultimately though, it's your son who needs to step up and insist time is spent more equally if that's what he wants. Whether that means seeing you alone or with his wife.

camelsandcaramel · 02/03/2020 09:49

Inheritance threats are a cheap way to try and manipulate and control. Don't go there. Instead, spend your money having the time of your life with your wife.

Speak to your son, invite them on holiday to spend your hard earned cash if you have to.

twinkledag · 02/03/2020 09:53

Agree with @LyingWitchInTheWardrobe 100%