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To think it is unusual for a 10 year old to announce she is bisexual?

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PotteryLottery · 26/02/2020 22:00

My Y6 child came home saying that 10 year old classmate who has previously identified as a lesbian with a girlfriend, is now saying she is bisexual.

She had to explain the terms to my child.

Is this normal playground talk nowadays?

I have no problem with any child's sexuality but I'm just wondering if I should mention it to the school in case she has been exposed to something inappropriate for her age? I know the girl has teen siblings.

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fallfallfall · 27/02/2020 18:27

At 10; there are boys and girls. NO idea about sexual attraction, sex and reproduction was not on my radar.

BrokenMumTeenDD · 27/02/2020 18:29

Hands up anyone who DIDN'T know what gender they were attracted to when they were 10

No clue or interest in knowing at that age, if it didn't come with thick fur & cute eyes, I couldn't have been less interested. It was just never a thing to be bothered about until quite a bit older

DameHannahRelf · 27/02/2020 18:37

I knew I was bi (though I can't remember if I'd learned the word for it yet), when I was about 11 (around the time I got my first period), when I realised I had a crush on another girl.

I knew what lesbians were, though I didn't know any irl. I knew that Ellen DeGeneresandPortiade Rossi where a "thing", and that Portia had been married to a man, so probably liked men too.

bottleofbeer · 27/02/2020 18:39

No, kids are mostly aware of their sexuality much younger than ten. People are just more open about it now so she obviously feels confident enough to say she is

DameHannahRelf · 27/02/2020 18:41

I wasn't interested in sex at 10, but I was interested in kissing, and having a "bf" (snd later a "gf"). I had my first kiss at about 8. It was ok though, 'cause we got married first Grin performed by my best friend, who kissed him the next day.

Lordfrontpaw · 27/02/2020 18:51

My first boyfriend turned out to be gay. Oh well, we were only 10 or 11. He turned into a right meow cat too.

Curiositykilledthecat113 · 27/02/2020 19:06

No she’s not too young to know she’s bisexual. I was around her age when I knew. Why shouldn’t children know who they’re attracted to? Straight people know they’re attracted to boys at this age? A lot of straight women have commented on this thread and it shows :/

mbosnz · 27/02/2020 19:08

I'll put my hand up to being a straight woman, but I'm getting quite the education via a bi-sexual daughter and a gay one! (And my God I'm glad for it.)

bottleofbeer · 27/02/2020 19:22

I've got four kids, two are gay. I always knew my son was. I just knew. A kid was in his class for a year from America while his dad worked here. My son was heartbroken when he went back to America. When he finally told me I asked him about that boy and he said he was his first crush. He was about seven at the time this kid was in his class. Awww.

Mandraki · 27/02/2020 19:27

I knew I was bisexual at 10 🤷‍♀️

ShesCurly · 27/02/2020 20:10

@lordfrontpaw

What's a meow cat? Never heard that before!

SarahAndQuack · 27/02/2020 21:35

Sorry, I am late replying @BrokenMumTeenDD and I see the conversation's moved on a bit.

I was responding to your post where you said 'We pointed out that she wasn't old enough for sex anyway, so could she please wait until she was old enough before making decisions to announce to the world, as such things should really be private anyway'.

To me, that read as you saying that these things should be 'private' and, unlike a child who's straight, she should not express her feelings, or at least she should restrict how much she talks about her feelings.

I think that is fundamentally cruel and very wrong.

I take your point that you say the situation was slightly different, and you hadn't issued an all-out ban on the subject. But, since you imply you associate this response specifically with her sexuality, it does seem quite clear you think that different responses are appropriate for children who talk about heterosexuality and those who talk about homosexuality. You say 'Nobody told her she couldn't talk openly about anything, she wasn't at an age for it really to be an issue, so it didn't need to be the main topic of conversation all day & everyday, which it was becoming.'

I don't follow how a child could not be 'at an age for it really to be an issue'?

How old does a child need to be to express an opinion?

I think this is really the main ground on which we disagree. You seem to think presumptively straight children can explore their feelings from however young they like, but children who might be gay or bisexual should be actively discouraged from doing so.

I'm sorry, but I think that is hugely harmful. If you do this to your child, how can you ever be sure they won't repress their sexuality in order to please you? They will surely get the message that you disliked them talking about innocent crushes. They will start to feel they have done something unacceptably 'adult' in simply having a normal childhood response.

Think about how you're representing sexuality that isn't straight.

Knowing that someone labels themself as gay or bisexaul is not knowing 'intimate details of sexual preference,' is it? We could say that each time you refer to your husband in public conversation, we are all confronted with the lurid and graphic details of your heterosexuality.

TBH, probably most of us cope with those references with nary a blink of an eye. It is not a big deal, even though each time you refer to your husband you are insistently declaring your heterosexuality to people who might not want to hear such a public and overt statement of your private sexuality. Right?

bottleofbeer · 27/02/2020 21:51

What Sarahandquack said.

BrokenMumTeenDD · 27/02/2020 22:40

Sorry Sarah, just injured my hand, so can't type long reply, but to clarify. It wasn't anything to do with hetro V LGBT, simply that she was too young to be having in-depth conversations about her sexuality to us to the point if arguing at all. It did become a bit of a thing she used to challenge me with etc, etc. Even though in calmer moments she agreed it wasn't something she was worrying about, or even thinking about yet. She knows I'm not homophobic, even though she accused me a few times in her angry moments. So it was nothing to do with her actual sexuality, I really couldn't care either way so long as she's happy, but more she was too young at all & it became a bit of a game fir her. IYSWIM - HFA/Aspergers, if that makes sense

DameHannahRelf · 27/02/2020 23:53

My parents don't know I'm bi btw. My mother overheard a conversation, and me describing myself that way, when I was about 14, and took it badly. She gave me this big speach about "phases", that I shouldn't label myself until I was older, that people might judge me unfairly for trying to seem edgy (I wasn't), etc.

It wasn't a phase, and now she knows nothing about that part of my life/personality. My dad doesn't know either, as he'd probably try to pray the gay away, and try to send me to one of those bible camp places. I've been thinking about dating women again a lot recently, (I've rather gone off men again this last while, though the ones I do like would probably be seen by them as equally "inappropriate", much older etc), but even the thought of them finding out makes me feel anxious.

PotteryLottery · 28/02/2020 08:57

Thank you to everyone who responded and shared.

I'm pleased that the child has the vocabulary that we lacked growing up and has educated my daughter, and me.

Obvs I won't be contacting the school.Blush

Wishing you all happiness in love whoever you are with.

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Panpastels · 28/02/2020 09:20

I echo others in saying my parents don't know I'm Bi either - I married men (not at the same time Wink) and they don't know about the female relationships I've also had.
They made some negative comments when they saw me holding hands with my best friend (who I loved but she was straight) at 15 and couldn't be bothered with it.

SarahAndQuack · 28/02/2020 11:07

Well, I don't know your DD, so I can't be sure. But, I have to say, you sound awfully like my parents, who also believed I was 'too young' and it was all just silly attention seeking.

It is a really, really, really shitty thing to do to a child, to tell them they are too young to talk about sexuality.

What possible harm could it do you? Is it somehow painful for you to listen to her? Children witter on about all sorts of things until your ears start bleeding, yes. But that's children. Lots of children make identity into a game - they wear silly clothes, they push boundaries about what you think they should be wearing, they listen to music they half hope you dislike, etc. etc.

It does sound homophobic to decide that someone is too young to be talking about sexuality, and that if they fall in line and agree they're not gay they're being 'calmer' about it.

BrokenMumTeenDD · 28/02/2020 12:02

Sarah, you are way too hung up on your own experience & projecting it. My DD herself was perfectly fine about it when discussed in a quieter moment. Her (Gay) godparents double checked with her too

SarahAndQuack · 28/02/2020 12:05

I may well be.

I just think you are so sure you're not homophobic, that you're not really considering how you come across.

I have no idea whether or not your DD is gay; I've no idea whether or not she's happy, and you're right I couldn't possibly know. But I do know that it is homophobic to have a problem with people talking about being gay because they are 'too young'. I still don't see how you're not doing that. So, yes, I'm reading this with my own experiences in mind, and that makes me emotional, but I am only reading what you've written.

BrokenMumTeenDD · 28/02/2020 12:23

Sarah, you are still massively missing an important point that I have explained to you several times over. It was nothing to do with sexuality & that was made clear to her at the time. I can't be bothered to explain further because you don't seem capable of "getting it" as you are projecting too much

SarahAndQuack · 28/02/2020 13:38

If you say so. I think you're trying to convince yourself, not me.

mbosnz · 28/02/2020 13:44

When my DD came and told me she was bi', and later, lesbian, she wasn't announcing that she was now off to start having sex. She was giving us important information about herself that was going to be extremely important in her life going forward - about what made her tick. That she didn't find boys attractive, but she found some girls very attractive.

I'm really glad she could, and that she felt heard, respected and acknowledged, because she's had some very tough and challenging times in her life, that have sorely tried her reserves of resilience, and I think if she hadn't felt she could share that with us, or that we'd not respected what she was saying, things could have gone very badly for her, and her mental health. And we'd not have known that there was this massive part of who she was that she felt she could not share with us.

NastiestThing · 28/02/2020 14:19

I think announcing your sexuality is weird fullstop. I'm mid 20s and identify as a bisexual woman, I've never felt the need to "announce it", even when I was kissing etc with another girl when we were 14. Why would I? It's not a big deal.

When I was 10, I thought I was straight. I'd kissed with 3 boy, no interest in girls. Changed in the teen years.

BrokenMumTeenDD · 28/02/2020 14:24

Sarah, did your parents not revisit the conversation with you as you got older? It doesn't sound like they did & I'm sorry fir you & all of the others who have gone through that, I know with friends how deeply it can affect you.

We have revisited it several times with DD over the years. She knows we love & accept her for who SHE is, whatever her sexual preferences or otherwise. She was trying to fit in in a very mixed bag of friends & she felt invisible for a while & it seemed cooler to her, that's all. She'd tell you that herself. Her HF autism means she can be challenging at times & will home in on something she thinks pushes your buttons. Something she does when stressed & overwhelmed. It's been many different things over the years, trying to start arguments over her sexuality was just one of many examples of that pattern of behaviour. She'd tell you that herself too. She has a boyfriend, she's only ever had or shown interest in boys, so I'd say for now that she's hetro, but she's young & who knows.

If I was really honest though, yes I'd be happier for her to settle to be hetro, but only because reality is, that would be an easier life for her. Not how it should be at all, but sadly reality, & I've had gay & lesbian friends say the same of their kids too. Things are better, but they are far from perfect