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Six year old girl arrested in Florida

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Userwhatevernumber · 26/02/2020 21:44

Sorry if there is already a thread about this, I couldn’t find one.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-51638871/six-year-old-girl-arrested-at-florida-school

AIBU to think this is totally unacceptable and the US police are heartless and cruel?

It’s things like this, that put me off ever living in America 😢😡

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10FrozenFingers · 27/02/2020 08:55

The teacher supervising her seems totally cold and callous when she's being arrested. I'd be after her job too.

Maybe she was the one attacked by the child. I'd be hard pressed to muster up much sympathy after being battered.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 27/02/2020 09:20

I arrested a 12 yo today myself and is sitting in Juvenile Detention until his court date next week. Did I feel bad when I tased him? Nope. Did I feel bad when I arrested and put him in my squad car? Nope. Did I feel bad bad for the teacher who will have to have reconstruction surgery on her face. Most definitely

Totally different scenario. Of the age of criminal responsibility; male - many boys of this age are bigger and stronger than adult women; dangerously violent.

Also - re: your gall bladder operation - presumably you have health insurance at work. If you hadn't, how long would you have waited, or how much would it have cost you?

The NHS is far from perfect, but it is Stallone of the best and most economical health services in the world - and it is universal. People are attended to by the criterion of need - so a life-threatening condition would take precedence over one which was extremely uncomfortable/ painful, but not going to kill someone. And as every health service has economic restrictions - how else would you suggest it was organised?

DreemOn · 27/02/2020 09:25

BJust been having a google and children as young as 6 are getting arrested in London. I presume it's handled better than the case being discussed in this thread.

THIS ARTICLE IN MY LONDON.NEWS dated December 2019 and allegedly based on a freedom of information request.

Children as young as six have been arrested for crimes in London in the past three years, figures have revealed.
Data released to MyLondon under a Freedom of Information request has shown thousands of children under the age of 13 were arrested between January 2016 and October 2019.
More than 2,000 primary school children and older were arrested by the Metropolitan Police during that period, including a six-year-old in Bromley, who was arrested on suspicion of stealing from motor vehicles in January 2016.^
Another six-year-old - this time in Hillingdonon_ - was arrested in January 2017 on suspicion of assault^

I couldn't find the FOI request on whatdotheyknow but I would interested to know more.

Daftodil · 27/02/2020 09:30

I'd be hard pressed to muster up much sympathy after being battered.

"Battered"?! Really? She's 6 years old!

www.cnn.com/2020/02/26/us/body-camera-video-6-year-old-arrested/index.html

According to written statements made by the principal, the assistant principal and two school staff members in September 2019 and obtained by CNN, the incident began at about 8:10 a.m. Kaia Rolle was screaming and pulling on a classroom door because she wanted to wear her sunglasses.
The assistant principal observed this and led Kaia to the office while the child was "kicking and screaming."

"Kaia became aggressive hitting me with her hands in the chest and stomach area," the assistant principal wrote in the statement. "I restrained her by holding her forearms."

"After about 10 minutes [the principal] was able to calm Kaia down," the statement from the staff member read.

If an incident can be dealt with within 10 minutes, why did the police even need to be involved?

Pomegranatepompom · 27/02/2020 09:33

Disgusting and heartbreaking. I didn’t want her the video- did the teachers just stand by? Surely they are responsible too?

Lipperfromchipper · 27/02/2020 09:35

@10FrozenFingers

Maybe she was the one attacked by the child. I'd be hard pressed to muster up much sympathy after being battered.

And that’s why it’s a certain kind of person who works with children, because we know that because they are children their behaviours are a product of internal dialogues they have been accustomed to and external behaviours they have been exposed to, for example,
Domestic violence ,Emotional and physical abuse etc, they act out because they cannot contain and/or understand their emotions.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 27/02/2020 09:37

After the video was released Turner had this to say:
“I was a police officer for 23 years, and I was in the military before that. All I’ve ever done is to serve my country and my community. That’s all I have to say about this,”

:Patriotism: the last refuge of a scoundrel" (Samuel Johnson)

JuanSheetIsPlenty · 27/02/2020 09:38

I wonder if the need/wish to wear sunglasses was due to head/eye pain as a result of her illness. I know lack of sleep makes my head throb and I can be sensitive to light.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 27/02/2020 09:50

I read it that the person who was fired was the one whose bodycam filmed not the arresting officer. It was one of the most disturbing things I have seen.

That is what I understood, too - that it was the "whistleblowing" that was unacceptable - not the brutalisation of a small child.

Justanotherlurker · 27/02/2020 10:06

This was awful to watch. The police officer has rightly been sacked.

No the resource officer for the school has been sacked, the police officer who put the child in cuffs S. Ramos has not been sacked.

10FrozenFingers · 27/02/2020 10:12

@Lipperfromchipper

And that’s why it’s a certain kind of person who works with children

That would be me. You are literally trying to tell your grandmother how to suck eggs. And in a very, very patronising manner.

I've had many, many years in special ed dealing with DCs with many difficulties. And was very good at my job. But not once was I supposed to suck up being hit and kicked.

JudyCoolibar · 27/02/2020 10:42

I read it that the person who was fired was the one whose bodycam filmed not the arresting officer. It was one of the most disturbing things I have seen.

That is what I understood, too - that it was the "whistleblowing" that was unacceptable - not the brutalisation of a small child.

No, there wasn't any whistleblowing element. The person with the bodycam is the resource officer who called another officer in to take the child away and did not tell him that he hadn't bothered to get authorisation. Apparently the second officer queried the arrest a few times but was told to proceed. The person with the bodycam is also the person you can hear boasting about arresting young children.

JudyCoolibar · 27/02/2020 10:43

No the resource officer for the school has been sacked, the police officer who put the child in cuffs S. Ramos has not been sacked.

The resource officer is a police officer. From the audio it sounds as if it was him putting the ties on.

AJPTaylor · 27/02/2020 10:54

This made me sick to my stomach. It is utterly shameful and I am at a loss to e even start to understand it.

Lipperfromchipper · 27/02/2020 10:55

@10FrozenFingers all the more reason why you would understand that what happened is so wrong on many levels...and I never said anyone should suck it up!, I said that to be a teacher/special ed teacher a level of understanding and ability to sympathize is paramount.

tenlittlecygnets · 27/02/2020 10:56

Who on earth called the police? Why couldn't the teacher deal with any bad behaviour in class?? What a bonkers story.

Frothybothie · 27/02/2020 10:57

The kid is lucky she was not in India, given what happens to a lot of children/females there from SOME men.

mantarays · 27/02/2020 10:59

The kid is lucky she was not in India, given what happens to a lot of children/females there from SOME men.

Huh? Did you just say she’s lucky she wasn’t raped? Confused

mantarays · 27/02/2020 11:00

Why couldn't the teacher deal with any bad behaviour in class??

Don’t be silly. If a child is violently attacking you when you are responsible for 29 other children, of course you can’t “just deal with it in class”. How do you suggest they do that?

sashh · 27/02/2020 11:02

Leaannb

People like you are another reason I won't visit the USA.

Coyoacan · 27/02/2020 12:26

mantarays

How come the USA is the only country in the world that calls police into schools to deal with problems in the classroom? What do you think teachers or schools do right in other countries?

Skierrdery · 27/02/2020 12:53

It's bizarre to me that Trump et al loathe Islam, but their version of Christianity is just as brutal. The US is like the Middle East of the Western World.

DioneTheDiabolist · 27/02/2020 13:01

And was very good at my job. But not once was I supposed to suck up being hit and kicked.
That is a failure of your employers 10FrozenFingers, not the fault of the distressed child who should be able to trust the adults charged with their care, not brutalised and resented by them.

KatherineJaneway · 27/02/2020 13:08

If an incident can be dealt with within 10 minutes, why did the police even need to be involved?

I understood that in the beginning the assistant principal wanted to press charges as the child kicked her and also punched her arms repeatedly.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 27/02/2020 13:14

The person with the bodycam is also the person you can hear boasting about arresting young children

Thank you - the internet is like Chinese Whispers a lot of the time.

Glad the bugger got sacked, then.