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To be fucking sick of my toilet phobia. (tmi)

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fuckingshittoilets · 24/02/2020 20:44

I'm currently sat in my best friends guest room on the verge of tears - I can't fucking do this.
I suffer from toilet phobia - the fear of going to a bathroom with other people in the house, or of other people knowing what i'm doing, etc.
I have held it in for two weeks now, and it's making me painfully constipated and i can barely fucking sit down or walk.
I always wait for DH to get out of the house to go, i haven't told him.
I have panic attacks over it. Toilet phobia is the bane of my existence.
My Best friends house has shitty paper thin walls and there are currently other guests over in the living room. I am bursting and my heart is pounding in anxiety.
it's humiliating and it started when I was in high school because of the girls in the bathroom pounding on the cubicle door, listening to you and making jokes etc Sad
some days it honestly makes me want to kill myself, I wish there was more awareness.
I am a 37 year old woman. I want a DD but my mind is constantly taken up my fear of going to the toilet.
Some days I have considered asking for a fucking colostomy bag as I feel that would be better Sad
I know that everybody does it, but that just makes it even worse. What in the fuck do i do now. Please help MN. Sad

OP posts:
HappyHammy · 24/02/2020 21:39

Go and join your friends if you've finished. Wine

Alsoco · 24/02/2020 21:39

Great, I definitely think the more you, er, expose yourself to the situation and successfully manage to go the better it will be. Face the fear head on! Have a lovely time with your friends ☺️

honeyloops · 24/02/2020 21:40

Agree that you should refer for therapy. When I had therapy for a phobia, it worked by listing the scenarios related to my phobia from least to most distressing - so, for you, it might be 'toilet at home with nobody in' as least distressing, to 'toilet in a public place without a working lock' for most.

Then you work your way through them, noting how you feel each time, and exploring what you think your thoughts are - I used an app called FearTools to help note down each scenario and the feelings I had.

For example, identifying that I was catastrophising what would happen if X occured, forcing myself - using prompts - to challenge that thought, such as 'but that might not happen' or if it does, what will it change?'

Then you try the next step - so maybe it's the toilet at home while DH is in, but asleep. Then you do the same again - how anxious were you before it happened? What thoughts did you have while you were there - did you think something bad would happen? What bad thing? Why would it be bad? Are you using black and white thinking instead of looking at the nuances of the situation? Are you assuming how someone else will respond when you don't actually know? Etc etc

It might sound daunting now, but in tiny tiny steps - and with the app to help me examine my thoughts - it became manageable. I went from being unable to do the thing I was phobic of at all, with full panic attacks and vomiting at the thought, to being almost entirely free of fear. I'm still working on it, but my life has changed.

Good luck 💛

How2Help · 24/02/2020 21:41

I think the priority is to work out a way to go now. As pp said announce you are going for a shower. Wedge a towel under the door. Do what you need to do with the shower running then super quick shower. Use lots of soap/showergel and it will cover any smells.

Longer term: I have this to a degree (more to do with a germ issue but it stops me using public loos etc). My friend is a GP and knows about it. She says she sees loads of patients with similar things. Ask the receptionist if they can recommend a sympathetic Dr as you are nervous about discussing a mental health issue. But make an appointment - I genuinely think it would be impossible to shock my friend as a GP.

Ijustneed · 24/02/2020 21:42

I'm a bit like this too, maybe not as extreme, although I don't use public toilets at all, but that's a germ phobia as well. I told up 4 sheets of toilet paper and "catch" it, if you get what I mean, to avoid the noise.

riceuten · 24/02/2020 21:43

I suffer from this mildly - I can't go if someone is in the adjacent cubicle at work, and the disabled bog has been OOU for ages, but I struggle through. I do most of my business when it is flushing. I will also wait ages for people to leave so I can wash my hands so people don't know it was me. I am just about managing.

My OH calls it "stage fright"

Twillow · 24/02/2020 21:43

You poor thing! It helps if he have IBS like me as you get used to going anywhere and everywhere several times a day with very little notice! OH would boldly announce his plans to be in the bathroom for the next half hour several times a week (tmi imo), one of my children can't go unless at home...we're all different!
Toilet paper lining, run a tap, and have one of those bottles of poo-pourri in your handbag. x

How2Help · 24/02/2020 21:44

Well I’m a slow typer but the second part of my post still applies!
Bet you feel better now.

user127819 · 24/02/2020 21:44

I don't know if it's been said before, but you can self-refer to IAPT (Improving Access to Psychological Therapies), and you can even ask for your GP to not be told if you want. You can also ask that they not send letters to your home address if you don't want those you live with to know. They start with a telephone interview to get an idea of your problems, then they discuss the next steps, whether it be CBT or counselling etc. I believe CBT can even be done over the phone if they think it's appropriate.

QueenofallIsee · 24/02/2020 21:45

I am so relieved for you OP! I have a version of this and it’s really debilitating. It’s not even as though I am holding it in, I literally have no urge to ‘go’ even though I am in discomfort when I am in public places or unfamiliar places. It’s taken me more than 2 years to go when himself is at home and I still wouldn’t be able to with him in the next room.
I had to force myself to be open with people, to try and take the stigma out of it and confessed it was an thing’. DH quietly tries to be respectful of my space and takes himself out of the way to try and help me, my friends all know how hard it is and make sure I am always the one with the en suite etc.

Sickofyoutube · 24/02/2020 21:47

My 10 year old ds has this. He won’t go toilet downstairs, he won’t go out in public at all. We went away and stayed in a hotel and he wouldn’t even go then, he held it in all weekend and had awful tummy ache when we got home. He was desperate in the train station but wouldn’t go.

Keha · 24/02/2020 21:48

Might sound odd but I cannot wee if I think anyone is listening. But I can if I put my fingers in my ears so I cannot hear anything (but that kind of wooshy, heartbeat sound you get). I doubt this will solve your issue with seems much more ingrained, but worth a try.

Kiki275 · 24/02/2020 21:49

Can you run the shower and whilst it's "heating up" use the loo? The steam and shower gel will overcome any odours and the noise will be loud enough to drown out any sound. I always went to the loo before a shower in shared accommodation x

Absolutepowercorrupts · 24/02/2020 21:50

I've never been so delighted about a total stranger managing to have a poo. 🍷👏
I've been in your shoes, I remember the fear and terror that others would know what I was doing. Honeyloops has given great advice, you can and will overcome this very real phobia.
💐 very best wishes

Kiki275 · 24/02/2020 21:51

Sorry x-posted way too late x

Swimornoswim15 · 24/02/2020 21:52

Bless you this is clearly a massive thing you need help for. I only ever experienced anxiety around needing a poo when I was in hospital having my kids. I hated the fact you shared a bathroom with 3 other women. Visitors were there etc. I got around it by turning the Tap on or turning the shower on then flushing whilst the waters on.

One thing that could help is hypnotherapy. You can't go on like this but currently it's something too huge for you to get over.

Your gp could possibly be able to refer you for therapy.

You should be happy enough to poo with your partner in the house. Especially if you are past the early days. At first this was a private matter for me. Now we have kids there's no privacy in the house.i have little people banging on the door lol.

On a serious note. Your body will get into a routine if you allow it too. You are not disgusting for needing the loo. Every person on this planet poos. Including the bitches at school humiliating people for it.

You need some help to overcome this.

Try and do it whilst the partners home. Flush. Squirt toilet cleaner down. Open the window and spray a tiny amount of air freshener. Then wash your hands and leave the window open slightly. This way the bathroom will smell fresh.
Another trick is put tissue in the bottom of the toilet first Nobody will hear it plop then. I actually do this if I use other people's bathrooms. Thank fully it's rare.

DerbyshireGirly · 24/02/2020 21:52

Oh OP I really hope you seek treatment for this. Nobody should be trapped by their own thoughts.

I had a (very different) phobia for over 10 years and felt like a prisoner to it sometimes. For a long time, I would have honestly chosen death over confronting it. But I did confront it in the end and it's like it never happened, I honestly couldn't tell you why I was so worked up over it for so many years because now it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

So there's no reason why you can't be totally over this one day. I know it's a big, scary and frustrating mountain at the moment but I hope one day you can look back and laugh at it, as hard as that might be to imagine right now.

BMW6 · 24/02/2020 21:53

The Lady’s Dressing Room
BY JONATHAN SWIFT

Five hours, (and who can do it less in?)
By haughty Celia spent in dressing;
The goddess from her chamber issues,
Arrayed in lace, brocades and tissues.
Strephon, who found the room was void,
And Betty otherwise employed,
Stole in, and took a strict survey,
Of all the litter as it lay;
Whereof, to make the matter clear,
An inventory follows here.
And first a dirty smock appeared,
Beneath the armpits well besmeared.
Strephon, the rogue, displayed it wide,
And turned it round on every side.
On such a point few words are best,
And Strephon bids us guess the rest,
But swears how damnably the men lie,
In calling Celia sweet and cleanly.
Now listen while he next produces
The various combs for various uses,
Filled up with dirt so closely fixt,
No brush could force a way betwixt.
A paste of composition rare,
Sweat, dandruff, powder, lead and hair;
A forehead cloth with oil upon’t
To smooth the wrinkles on her front;
Here alum flower to stop the steams,
Exhaled from sour unsavory streams,
There night-gloves made of Tripsy’s hide,
Bequeathed by Tripsy when she died,
With puppy water, beauty’s help
Distilled from Tripsy’s darling whelp;
Here gallypots and vials placed,
Some filled with washes, some with paste,
Some with pomatum, paints and slops,
And ointments good for scabby chops.
Hard by a filthy basin stands,
Fouled with the scouring of her hands;
The basin takes whatever comes
The scrapings of her teeth and gums,
A nasty compound of all hues,
For here she spits, and here she spews.
But oh! it turned poor Strephon’s bowels,
When he beheld and smelled the towels,
Begummed, bemattered, and beslimed
With dirt, and sweat, and earwax grimed.
No object Strephon’s eye escapes,
Here petticoats in frowzy heaps;
Nor be the handkerchiefs forgot
All varnished o’er with snuff and snot.
The stockings why should I expose,
Stained with the marks of stinking toes;
Or greasy coifs and pinners reeking,
Which Celia slept at least a week in?
A pair of tweezers next he found
To pluck her brows in arches round,
Or hairs that sink the forehead low,
Or on her chin like bristles grow.
The virtues we must not let pass,
Of Celia’s magnifying glass.
When frightened Strephon cast his eye on’t
It showed visage of a giant.
A glass that can to sight disclose,
The smallest worm in Celia’s nose,
And faithfully direct her nail
To squeeze it out from head to tail;
For catch it nicely by the head,
It must come out alive or dead.
Why Strephon will you tell the rest?
And must you needs describe the chest?
That careless wench! no creature warn her
To move it out from yonder corner;
But leave it standing full in sight
For you to exercise your spite.
In vain the workman showed his wit
With rings and hinges counterfeit
To make it seem in this disguise
A cabinet to vulgar eyes;
For Strephon ventured to look in,
Resolved to go through thick and thin;
He lifts the lid, there needs no more,
He smelled it all the time before.
As from within Pandora’s box,
When Epimetheus op’d the locks,
A sudden universal crew
Of human evils upwards flew;
He still was comforted to find
That Hope at last remained behind;
So Strephon lifting up the lid,
To view what in the chest was hid.
The vapors flew from out the vent,
But Strephon cautious never meant
The bottom of the pan to grope,
And foul his hands in search of Hope.
O never may such vile machine
Be once in Celia’s chamber seen!
O may she better learn to keep
Those “secrets of the hoary deep!”
As mutton cutlets, prime of meat,
Which though with art you salt and beat
As laws of cookery require,
And toast them at the clearest fire;
If from adown the hopeful chops
The fat upon a cinder drops,
To stinking smoke it turns the flame
Pois’ning the flesh from whence it came,
And up exhales a greasy stench,
For which you curse the careless wench;
So things, which must not be expressed,
When plumped into the reeking chest,
Send up an excremental smell
To taint the parts from whence they fell.
The petticoats and gown perfume,
Which waft a stink round every room.
Thus finishing his grand survey,
Disgusted Strephon stole away
Repeating in his amorous fits,
Oh! Celia, Celia, Celia shits!
But Vengeance, goddess never sleeping
Soon punished Strephon for his peeping;
His foul imagination links
Each Dame he sees with all her stinks:
And, if unsavory odors fly,
Conceives a lady standing by:
All women his description fits,
And both ideas jump like wits:
But vicious fancy coupled fast,
And still appearing in contrast.
I pity wretched Strephon blind
To all the charms of female kind;
Should I the queen of love refuse,
Because she rose from stinking ooze?
To him that looks behind the scene,
Satira’s but some pocky queen.
When Celia in her glory shows,
If Strephon would but stop his nose
(Who now so impiously blasphemes
Her ointments, daubs, and paints and creams,
Her washes, slops, and every clout,
With which he makes so foul a rout)
He soon would learn to think like me,
And bless his ravished sight to see
Such order from confusion sprung,
Such gaudy tulips raised from dung.

yellowallpaper · 24/02/2020 21:54

Just go home in the morning, make an excuse. You can self refer for counselling. Nothing else will help you. It's a type of ocd

MereDintofPandiculation · 24/02/2020 21:56

f your worried about opening the conversation with your GP then so what you have so bravely done here and write it down and show them. And preface it with "I feel really embarrassed talking about this."

80sMum · 24/02/2020 21:58

I hear you, OP! YANBU.
I refuse to stay at anyone else's house for the same reason. And I don't like anyone staying in mine, also for the same reason. I too have been this way since childhood.

My problem is not so extreme as yours, but I do understand where you're coming from.

ClientQueen · 24/02/2020 21:58

I'm so going to have to NC after this. I have this slightly - it comes from going when I was about 14 in a public toilet (I had an upset stomach and was mortified) and some woman was "Omg that stinks, that's disgusting" etc etc
Since then I was too worried to go anywhere but home. However something has changed a bit and I'm not as bad now
Happy flush spray helps a lot, and running the shower or tap

Kraejka · 24/02/2020 21:59

Phew! Glad you managed to go.
I also have a range of toilet issues. I have a complete phobia of toilets with high cisterns and a chain. I really struggle to use them at all. If absolutely desperate I will but I can't flush them without opening the door first, then I flush and run. It's so bad!! I've had this for years.
If I can avoid them at all I will. It's not as bad as it used to be as 20 years ago because the majority of such toilets have been replaced with low cisterns so I am far less likely to encounter one. I've still been surprised by finding one somewhere unexpected and I get the heebie jeebies straightaway.
I have a couple of very trusted friends who know about this and who will check out toilets for me if we are anywhere where high cisterns might be likely.

I can't use stainless steel toilets either, irrespective of where the cistern is.

Then I have a similar issue to you of being overheard. If someone enters a cubicle next to me I completely freeze and nothing evacuates, as it were. I remember being on a camping holiday a couple of years ago and ending up in a desperate state as I really needed to go but people were coming and going into the toilets all the time. I had to drive to the local tourist office to use the toilet there which was just a separate toilet on its own.

I suppose I should also deal with it. I'd like to explore where the phobia came from. I've had it since I was a very small child. I can remember all kinds of toilet related incidents and panic attacks and never being able to go at school because of the high cisterns and the relief when, at secondary school, they replaced one toilet block with low cisterns when renovating part of the building.

Jenzenn · 24/02/2020 21:59

I can empathise as I have a similar problem. I can’t go if people can hear me. This causes me no end of issues. We go camping a lot and I go off to the toilet block but just can’t go. People coming and going, cleaning teeth, chatting, drying their hair etc. Aghhh

I get bloated and constipated and it’s horrible and tbh spoils my holiday.

I can’t go in other peoples houses or at work. It’s like my body won’t let go. Bloody annoying.Angry

Jenzenn · 24/02/2020 22:02

Also public toilets in general, I hate them and will avoid at all costs. Trains, planes and public loos eeek!

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