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Lady on Question Time last night should have been more robustly challenged by all

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Unacceptable111 · 21/02/2020 09:54

AIBU to think that the Question Time panel should all have come out in condemnation of this woman’s hate filled and ignorant rant (instead of just Ash Sarkar) and that Fiona Bruce should also have challenged her?

Can’t think of the amount of damage leaving such televised opinions unchallenged does Sad.

mobile.twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1230625055803133953

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Clavinova · 21/02/2020 21:22

Here she is...

Alison Fuller Pedley is the BBC Question Time 'audience producer' - or at least she was.

HenHarrier · 21/02/2020 21:28

Alison Fuller Pedley is the BBC Question Time 'audience producer' - or at least she was.

Still is - at least according to her LinkedIn profile.

Lady on Question Time last night should have been more robustly challenged by all
AutumnRose1 · 21/02/2020 21:34

Oh, so she WAS a plant.

SaskiaRembrandt · 21/02/2020 21:36

We are not a country made up of countless other cultures for centuries - that couldn't be further from the truth.

Yes, we are. Our heritage is amazingly diverse. (Source: me, a historian who has studied the history of these countries)

It astonishes me how people who claim be so patriotic know so little about the history of this country. A glance at our language, cuisine, music, theatre, and pretty much any other form of culture demonstrates how diverse our heritage is. I actually feel sorry for people who don't understand this. How dull and insular must their lives be?!

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 21/02/2020 21:39

I haven't watched Question Time since David Dimbleby left. I can t stand that Fiona Bruce.

SaskiaRembrandt · 21/02/2020 21:41

And if these people wanted to be authentic they'd all be speaking Welsh - I bet QT woman couldn't string a sentence together.

Clavinova · 21/02/2020 22:22

Even when she was proven wrong she tried to dispute it

To be fair though - Ash Sarkar might not be right either - the studies she was referring to on Question Time are discussed by The Migration Observatory (based at the University of Oxford);

"Many of the costs and contributions that need to be included in estimates of the net fiscal impact of migration cannot be calculated directly, because the data do not exist or are not publicly accessible. Researchers estimating fiscal impacts must make a significant number of assumptions, and results tend to change based on these assumptions." ...

"Estimates of the fiscal effects of immigration have many limitations. For example, the studies reviewed in this briefing rely primarily on the Labour Force Survey (LFS) to identify the characteristics of migrants and the factors associated with tax contributions (e.g. whether someone is working) and expenditure (e.g. whether some has school-age children). However, the LFS itself has important limitations. It excludes migrants living in communal establishments, and some groups may be underrepresented due to non-response to the survey. Income is a crucial component of fiscal impact calculations, but LFS income information is limited and only includes employee earnings."

"Another key limitation is that the studies depend on assumptions about how migrants use public services. Most studies simply estimate the share of the population represented by migrants and assume that they account for the same share of consumption of public services as people with similar demographic characteristics (e.g. age and gender).Yet migrants have different characteristics from UK-born individuals and as such may use public services differently. For instance, migrants may use services such as translation services in schools and hospitals that are not typically used by the native-born population.One difficulty in addressing this point is that there is no systematic collection of the user’s migration status at the point of delivery of many public services."

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-in-the-uk/

Patroclus · 21/02/2020 22:26

Yes I am

HeIenaDove · 21/02/2020 22:26

#savethebbc Nope Not when its turned into a cross between ITV2 and ITVBe

TheSultanofPingu · 21/02/2020 22:51

I'm confused. The QT audience woman isn't Alison Fuller Pedley is she?

AlexaShutUp · 22/02/2020 00:01

A country with many different beliefs / languages works if you are spread out eg USA but in the U.K. where people with different cultures , language, beliefs live next door there will be friction. People mix with others who have similar beliefs , language, culture

What a sad, narrow-minded view of the world you have. I actually pity you.

MintyMabel · 22/02/2020 00:06

I could not agree less with this woman, however, I am wondering how many of the people saying awful things here and more so on Twitter have also been sharing #bekind type memes in the past week.

I would not want to be this woman today.

PotteryLottery · 22/02/2020 00:17

But she said awful things. Totally dismissed the contribution immigrants make.

QT gave repeated airtime to Farage and here we are.

HeIenaDove · 22/02/2020 00:19

Is she exempt from being kind then?

BritWifeinUSA · 22/02/2020 00:38

And the usual “you wouldn’t be allowed to turn up in America and get free treatment”. Actually you would. If someone’s life is at risk they will be treated. Even if they can’t pay. Even if they don’t live here. We are not that cruel here. She obviously believed the DM hype that over here the ambulance won’t even stop for you if you don’t have a credit card in your hand. Complete nonsense. She has no idea what she’s talking about.

showmethegin · 22/02/2020 00:56

I wonder how many "immigrants" provided medical care to her while she was 'back at the NHS' as she put it. I could tear my hair out for what this country has become. As a white person with black family members I've never been under any illusion about the level of racism in the country, but the amount of people I come into contact with casually (at bus stops, waiting rooms, supermarkets etc) who, seeing I am white feel completely free to spout their toxic opinions with me has been shocking. They feel so emboldened in their bigotry that they see me, another white person and just assume I'll agree with them. Horrible.

Apart from putting them bloody straight, which I do every single time, I just don't understand how we fix it.

AutumnRose1 · 22/02/2020 01:08

BritWife we know that the US will treat

The point is that over here it’s even been a subject of debate at the BMA, that they don’t want to bill the patients who aren’t resident here.

There has been a change though, now all the local hospitals (I have been in a lot with my elderly mum) have signs up saying that non residents will need to pay. Presume that’s pay up front, claim back on insurance as I had to do in France.

Flaxmeadow · 22/02/2020 02:07

Shame the British Empire didnt take the view multi culturalism didnt work. This whole arguement boils down to lack of understanding of history and exceptionalism

What has the Britsh Empire to do with everyday British people? They are not responsible for it and neither were their ancestors

Flaxmeadow · 22/02/2020 02:47

A history of immigration into Britain:

- Romans
- Anglo-saxons
- Vikings
- Normans
- Huguenots
- Romani
- Indians
- Africans
- Russian Jews
- Germans
- Hungarians

By the way we're only up to approximately the mid 1950s now, long before Blair landed on the scene.

You forgot the Celts, who were also immigrants or at least it was an imported culture. Who knows. But it is these iron age people who leave the largest traces in British, including English, peoples DNA today

Not sure all those mentioned in the list are great examples of successful immigration though

The Roman's ruled for over 400 years, built roads, infrastructure, towns and cities but it wasnt a peaceful invasion. Far from it.

The widespread slaughter and bloodshed of the Norman Conquest was a huge genocide of the innocents. Leaving so much famine and destruction in its wake that some refugees were sent fleeing across the whole continent of Europe.

There is a difference between invasion and immigration, and also differences in how those different immigrant people successfully integrate and how quickly.

Whatdopeopledotoday · 22/02/2020 05:47

What has the Britsh Empire to do with everyday British people? They are not responsible for it and neither were their ancestors

The immigration which took place in the 50s and 60s was a direct result of this country’s colonialism.

My ex’s family came here from India as British citizens. (And suffered years of racism, being spat at in the street, etc).

Does anyone for a second think that Mrs Tommy Robinson restricts her racist views to EU immigrants only???

HelgaHere1 · 22/02/2020 06:48

Yes, and the vikings raped and pillaged , not too popular with resident population I shouldn't think.

Noconceptofnormal · 22/02/2020 07:18

I don't personally agree with this woman, but I do think that a significant group of people think like this woman to varying degrees, like it or not , and this section of the electorate had not been listened to about their concerns over immigration policy for decades until the Brexit vote.

This woman is obviously at the extreme end ('close the borders completely'), but consistently in polls two thirds to three quarters of people want immigration to be more controlled.

People shouldn't be cruel about her appearance, I didn't notice whether she was wearing a wig or not but if she is then it's horrible to comment on it.

Gilead · 22/02/2020 07:21

What’s your point there @Helgehere1?

HelgaHere1 · 22/02/2020 07:44

I was following on from Flaxmeadow'spost.

Tellmetruth4 · 22/02/2020 07:49

QT has descended from a robust political debate programme into an extremist ranting platform under Fiona Bruce. She is a terrible Chair. There have been 2 alt/far-right rants over the last few weeks from Lawrence Fox to this this Tommy Robinson fan. Bruce herself has also had her own controversies in this space.

The BBC made a mistake in hiring her for such a flagship role. The show’s lost its gravitas and I’d now more closely related to those Fox News shows where people just yell right wing slogans for ratings and twitter controversy.