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Lady on Question Time last night should have been more robustly challenged by all

159 replies

Unacceptable111 · 21/02/2020 09:54

AIBU to think that the Question Time panel should all have come out in condemnation of this woman’s hate filled and ignorant rant (instead of just Ash Sarkar) and that Fiona Bruce should also have challenged her?

Can’t think of the amount of damage leaving such televised opinions unchallenged does Sad.

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Fedupofdoingit · 21/02/2020 18:21

I am North of the Border, in Scotland. Sadly I think that some of what she says is very valid.

To pp saying immigrants come in and do the jobs no one else wants to....that is the problem! It shouldn’t be a choice, if you don’t want to work, you shouldn’t get benefits.

AutumnRose1 · 21/02/2020 18:22

I think we cross posted Helga but I think we are on the same page, totally agree it's like that debate and the speed with which "bigoted racist" comes out is amazing. For me it's usually "bigoted xenophobic" but new for me on MN, I got called a nativist.

what that lady said on QT is something I've heard from other immigrants. Most recently, a Polish supplier came in to my work, we had to wait for someone who was coming to the meeting..and he started telling me how he was leaving London because he's really angry about how many languages are spoken in the local schools.

he said "I didn't come here to be anything other than British, I want my children mixing with other children who speak English as a first language."

So I guess he will not be our supplier very long!

HelgaHere1 · 21/02/2020 18:26

We are not a country made up of countless other cultures for centuries - that couldn't be further from the truth.

Back it up with facts then. Clickable links will do
I don't need links - you tell me about all the people of differing cultures who have invaded the U.K.??
A few French Norman's in the 1000s , some Hanoverians , some Dutch to the Fens.
And none of those were particularly different cultures. Oh, the vikings before that but they all had centuries to integrate and intermarry.
In the 20thc Pakistanis to work in the cotton mills. Some from the Caribbean to work in low paid jobs. Doctors for nhs.
Then hundreds of thousands from Eastern Europe.

Hoik · 21/02/2020 18:31

if you don’t want to work, you shouldn’t get benefits.

In order to claim jobseekers benefits claimants must spend a minimum of 35hrs per week looking for work and back this up with evidence.

Not all jobs suit all jobseekers, for example night shifts are not necessarily going to be suitable for a single parent of young children and a physically demanding job is not going to suit a 50-something year old with chronic back pain.

Of the small number of people on jobseeker benefits with no prospect of finding employment there are other social factors at play such as chaotic lifestyles, addiction issues, lack of education, etc which in themselves are barriers to work and barriers to holding down a job long term.

When you add in that jobs like care work, domestic work, hospitality are usually poorly paid and staff are very often poorly treated both by management and customers, younger people who realise it's not worth their while to take those jobs because they'd be worse off financially by the time they've paid childcare or by the time they've done unpaid travel time between clients (as is the case in a lot of community care work) or that their mental/physical health is not able to cope with care work, bar work, or agricultural work for so little remuneration. The jobs I did as a young, single person with no commitments are not jobs I could do now as a middle-aged person with four children.

Roussette · 21/02/2020 18:35

This woman is not alone in thinking what she thinks. It is a basic function of a society for example, that we speak the same language

Tell that to the immigrants (who call themselves 'ex-pats') in Spain then. I hope the Spanish Government insist on them learning and speaking Spanish. That'll be a laugh

Horrible woman who supports Tommy Robinson, that sums it up.

woodhill · 21/02/2020 18:40

A relative of mine lives in Spain speaks fluent Spanish and pays his way.

Roussette · 21/02/2020 18:45

There are english Spanish speakers in Spain, of course there are. But there's a lot more who don't, and don't even try. If we want everyone who comes here to speak English, that should be the case for all English people settling in other European countries also.

AutumnRose1 · 21/02/2020 18:47

“ Tell that to the immigrants (who call themselves 'ex-pats') in Spain then. I hope the Spanish Government insist on them learning and speaking Spanish. That'll be a laugh”

Wouldn’t blame them if they did. But if you injure yourself in Spain, you pay for the hospital interpreter. Here, the NHS pays. 🤷🏻‍♀️

FrogsFrogs · 21/02/2020 18:47

Lol at Woodhull Grin

Alsohuman · 21/02/2020 18:49

Helga was supporting the death penalty yesterday. Just saying ...

Newjez · 21/02/2020 18:51

It is a shame that the panel didn't respond.

When someone puts two unconnected truths up and assumes they are connected, they should be challenged.

We did have immigration. We did have a shortage of schools and hospitals. But that is because planners built houses without building schools and hospitals!

CallofDoodee · 21/02/2020 18:55

Wouldn’t blame them if they did. But if you injure yourself in Spain, you pay for the hospital interpreter. Here, the NHS pays.

So? The vast majority of English 'ex pats' who go and live in Spain aren't contributing anything in the form of taxes. 🤷‍♀️

SwedishEdith · 21/02/2020 18:57

A Tommy Robinson supporter given a front row seat. And then what she said was retweeted by the BBC despite it being factually incorrect.

woodhill · 21/02/2020 19:02

Yes fair point Rousseau but have to agree about the disparity between free translation services here whereas in Spain you are expected to pay.

AutumnRose1 · 21/02/2020 19:13

Call but lots of people who aren’t paying tax will be able to use the paid for service here.

This isn’t about benefits for me, I just don’t know why we give so much stuff away for free.

My local GP recently told me they’re stopping double appointments for non English speakers. I didn’t know they got them!

Roussette · 21/02/2020 19:31

Yes fair point Rousseau but have to agree about the disparity between free translation services here whereas in Spain you are expected to pay

I do agree and I know that for instance in Spain, if you have say a hospital appointment, if you don't turn up with an interpreter or speak the language, you're stuffed.

However, to demonise people and make it a condition of immigration that you speak English is not good. Has anyone seen questions from the citizens test (or whatever it's called)? I was not successful!

Who was the greatest Briton of all time in 2002?
Mo Farah, Winston Churchill, Isaac Newton or Alexander Fleming?

Ridiculous questions

Patroclus · 21/02/2020 19:44

'A woman on here once told about how a woman on a bus told her off for speaking foreign, when she was speaking Welsh, in Wales!!!'

Thats a myth that get repeated again and again, It started off in the US with Navajo indians and now get used to bash those awful english nationalists.

Alsohuman · 21/02/2020 19:49

I failed the citizenship test too ☹️

BurneyFanny · 21/02/2020 20:14

Over half the world’s population speaks more than one language as matter of course so the one language one culture claim is bollocks.

FrogsFrogs · 21/02/2020 20:53

Patroclus, PP said it was them!

You are saying that poster is lying?

isadoradancing123 · 21/02/2020 20:57

Do you know how much the nhs pay for interpreters; its scandalous

Clavinova · 21/02/2020 21:00

'A woman on here once told about how a woman on a bus told her off for speaking foreign, when she was speaking Welsh, in Wales!!!'

"If a story sounds too good to be true" . . .

www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/did-you-hear-the-one-about-the-woman-in-the-niqab-1.2698644

ineedaholidaynow · 21/02/2020 21:01

But I assume they don't just pay for interpreters for EU citizens, so why is this immigration policy just happening after Brexit?

Davespecifico · 21/02/2020 21:03

I think it’s right for people to have legitimate concerns about immigration, but I don’t think it’s appropriate to have a ‘Free Tommy’ type being free to shout her extremist views on the BBC,

RogueV · 21/02/2020 21:04

Here she is...

Lady on Question Time last night should have been more robustly challenged by all
Lady on Question Time last night should have been more robustly challenged by all