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Lady on Question Time last night should have been more robustly challenged by all

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Unacceptable111 · 21/02/2020 09:54

AIBU to think that the Question Time panel should all have come out in condemnation of this woman’s hate filled and ignorant rant (instead of just Ash Sarkar) and that Fiona Bruce should also have challenged her?

Can’t think of the amount of damage leaving such televised opinions unchallenged does Sad.

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HollowTalk · 21/02/2020 11:35

What's a ringer?

NameChangeNugget · 21/02/2020 11:35

When I found out Ash Sarkar was a guest, I chose to not watch it.

theflushedzebra · 21/02/2020 11:36

I don't think QT can be accused of being right wing - the BBC (tries) to strike a balance and accused by all sides of bias.

I think there are a lot of people with views like this woman though, sadly - I think it's the reason brexit & Boris won tbh.

I found her views are abhorrent, and I'm with Ash Sarkar on this point (although not many others! I dislike both extreme left and right wing).

FrogsFrogs · 21/02/2020 11:36

'It is a basic function of a society for example, that we speak the same language'

Raise it with the Welsh, Cornish etc then.

You're very silly.

GCAcademic · 21/02/2020 11:40

let's start a campaign to get the words shampoo and rucksack banned. Rucksack especially as a word from German is an EU affront imposed on our beautiful language and we will fight it!!!

Not to mention bungalow, pyjamas, juggernaut, thug, veranda, etc. Imposed on us by our colonial inferiors!

CallofDoodee · 21/02/2020 11:45

The thing is, Ash Sarkar is obviously an articulate woman (I would say intelligent but some of the stuff I have seen of her on Twitter points to the contrary tbh).

But she needs to see how her and her ilk (Owen Jones, Momentum and all) have allowed this kind of shit to flourish. The Labour Party right now are so tribal, so absolutist in their positions, there is no room for nuance, and therefore people who feel like they are not being listened to go elsewhere.

The whole 'we are right about everything and anyone who disagrees with us in any way whatsoever must be banished' has ruined the party, and has allowed people like Nigel Farage and the Tories to swoop in.

It all started when Gordon Brown called that lady 'just a bigoted woman'. Maybe if Labour had started listening to people's legitimate concerns about immigration in their areas back then, rather than just dismissing them, then we wouldn't be in this bloody awful place now.

FrogsFrogs · 21/02/2020 11:45

A woman on here once told about how a woman on a bus told her off for speaking foreign, when she was speaking Welsh, in Wales!!!

HenHarrier · 21/02/2020 11:45

I’m surprised she didn’t manage to shoehorn “we send them all back” into her rant as well.

HenHarrier · 21/02/2020 11:46

That should read we should send them all back.

I’ve heard that expressed in RL.

Changeofsector · 21/02/2020 11:52

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.indy100.com/article/question-time-immigration-rant-nhs-public-services-bbc-9349076%3famp

I like this - everything she said fact checked by the Indy.

Gilead · 21/02/2020 11:53

Question Time - The Jeremy Vine Show for those who are up late.

Likethebattle · 21/02/2020 11:58

I’m Scottish and I just sat open mouthed at her rant. DH likes to sit and take the rip out of QT every week. North of the border our opinions in migration seem very different.

mumwon · 21/02/2020 12:02

@FrogsFrogs & bungalow & orange (tries to think of long list …)

CaMePlaitPas · 21/02/2020 12:05

Where does she want to go? I'll personally buy her a one way ticket to somnewhere where never have to see or listen to her and her ill-judged racist views again.

MadameMeursault · 21/02/2020 12:06

@Likethebattle I’m Scottish and I just sat open mouthed at her rant. DH likes to sit and take the rip out of QT every week. North of the border our opinions in migration seem very different.

Are you seriously stereotyping all English people as having the same views as her?

CaMePlaitPas · 21/02/2020 12:07

Oops - typo, I meant *somewhere

Ooh she riled me.

MarshallPNutt · 21/02/2020 12:17

Britain has been made up from countless other cultures for centuries all of whom have 'successfully integrated'.

Indeed. Almost all of which also spoke different languages.

It's not language that brings a society together. It's shared values. Only right now our values seem to be somewhat misplaced.

fastliving · 21/02/2020 12:22

I stopped watching QT along time ago.
It's like the Daily Mail comments section live now.

MintyMabel · 21/02/2020 12:23

North of the border our opinions in migration seem very different.

Sure. No racism, xenophobia here, not one bit of it.

You also wouldn’t catch us shouting about our nearest neighbours and wanting to cut ourself off from them.

Mintychoc1 · 21/02/2020 12:30

You can moan all you like, but you have to accept that a significant proportion of the population feel as she does. I’m not saying I agree with it - far from it - but like it or not, she speaks for many.

Personally I think immigration has been very badly managed, and freedom of movement should have come with more controls early on. It seems to me that, apart from a small minority of nasty racists, we all coexisted fairly harmoniously for a few decades. It’s the opening of the gates to huge numbers of Eastern Europeans that seems to have been the trigger for a resurgence in racism. This combined with relentless public spending cuts has brought out the worst in people.

Humans are tribal by nature, and whilst a degree of integration of perceived “outsiders” is acceptable to most, there is a tipping point at which a larger number of people get annoyed and defensive. I think governments have taken us past that tipping point, and now racist views are seen as acceptable and (in some areas) mainstream.

I’m not saying I agree with any of it, but I think there are anthropological and psychological explanations for the nastiness we are seeing now. And it could have been prevented by better politicians.

helberg · 21/02/2020 12:39

She looks and sounds like a plant.
I'm sure I've seen her face ranting about things before and she does seem to be wearing a wig so perhaps trying to alter her appearance.
(Not that wearing a wig automatically means you're a plant or trying to disguise who you are as many people choose to or have to wear a wig for other reasons).

Blaming the EU for the freedom of movement thing annoys me as it was the UK government who chose to allow people to settle in the UK with no need to register or to prove that they were self-supporting. I moved to another EU country and had to prove after 3 months that I was self-sufficient and had health insurance - here we have a contributions based system rather than a residency based system.
I know of a current ongoing case where someone is being threatened with deportation because they have had to resort to state benefits and can therefore no longer be considered to be self-supporting and are therefore in breach of EU freedom of movement rules.

As I said, the UK government chose not to require EU immigrants to register and provide evidence of a job or sufficient funds.
They then chose to allow the new Eastern European EU members to take advantage of free movement rules immediately. Other EU countries, including the one I live in, made use of the EU ruling that there would be a three year (I think, correct me if I am wrong) period after them joining before their citizens would be able to make full use of their freedom of movement rights and move to other countries for work.
This meant that they were able to immigrate to the UK and work from day one whereas they first had this right to move to Germany three years later. So of course those people chose to go to the UK for well-paid work (in comparison to their own countries) rather than wait 3 years to go to another EU country.

HazelBite · 21/02/2020 13:17

I'm in my 60's and am aghast at this, as someone who grew up post war in a very multi cultural London it makes me weep.
When I was a child there were notices up advertising Rooms To Rent saying "No Blacks, No Irish, No Dogs" these were, in time, made illegal but unfortunately the spirit and the intention behind this sadly still remains,
The sheer ignorance behind her rant makes me despair. I'm sad we are no longer part of Europe. My parents who lived through WW2 felt that this country joining Europe was a real step forward,
Sadly those who have not lived through the consequences of such hatred have no idea what such opinions can lead to.

BaileysforBreakfast · 21/02/2020 13:33

She was just another common or garden racist. There's a lot of it about and recent political events have emboldened these people.

Tanith · 21/02/2020 17:16

“ She looks and sounds like a plant.”

Doesn’t she just!

peanutbuttermarmite · 21/02/2020 17:23

People don’t get held to account on question time though do they, Scottish ‘our nationalism is better’ pundits included - few experts, audience ‘questions’ that are a cloak for ill informed rants.

I agree QT tries to be representative but there are lots of people with lots of questionable ‘beliefs’, I’d like to see a bit more challenge from experts included in the programme.

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