Prince Andrew's Birthday

[Nippybutsweet]

AIBU to feel that it's insensitive for Westminster Abby to ring it's bells to celebrate Andrew's 60th?

The Queen is coming across very badly. I was a monarchist, I'm not now. I've never really understood this attitude. Isn't the whole point of a monarchy that we don't get to choose the monarch? If the Queen was the worst person in the world she'd still be Queen. Perhaps a lot of people have this kind of wavering attitude where they are monarchist when the monarch gets good publicity and republican when she doesn't. In which case we should all raise a glass and a flag for Prince Andy.

Well explained JustForTheTasteOfIt, that was my take on it too.

It's funny how different people can read a couple of sentences and put a completely different/opposite interpretation on them, which is why emojis can be very handy sometimes.

The public: trial by media is appalling and even though she was facing actual trial and a previous boyfriend had spoken out about her abuse Caroline Flack was clearly just a troubled soul who deserves all our sympathy and support.

Also the public: Prince Andrew should be hung, drawn and quartered and never allowed to be mentioned in public again.

Hmmmm

It's certainty strange to see an OP sulking and trying to derail their own thread because they're too stubborn to apologise to someone who everyone else can see was actually agreeing with them.

The Queen is well within her rights to celebrate her sons birthday.

She can do whatever she wants in private. I liked the suggestion of going out for pizza.

Prince Andrew should be hung, drawn and quartered and never allowed to be mentioned in public again.

No-one is actually saying that.

The thing is he’s not actually been found guilty or even charged with anything. There isn’t even an arrest warrant out for him. Therefore, from that point of view the normal should take place.

He hasn't, but a large part of royalty in a supposed democracy is that they rule by public consent. They get a shedload of money from the taxpayer and immense privileges and, in return, we expect them to act in an dignified and irreproachable manner. It's not a straightforward employed position, but in effect, that way of thinking does come very much into play.

Andrew is a boil on the ass of HM.

I just do not fucking understand it. Harry and Megan are guilty of nothing except deciding to live their lives on their own term and gets a beating for it.. Andrew gets a free pass for associating with a known child abuser and he gets to ring in his birthday. Fuck that.

zurala I agree with you to be honest.

But the British public always have more sympathy for a troubled and flawed, yet relatable person than an individual that is perceived to have abused or disregarded the privileges bestowed upon them, or worse still, hides behind them rather than be answerable for their actions.

I've never really understood this attitude. Isn't the whole point of a monarchy that we don't get to choose the monarch?

People frequently confuse 'liking the queen' with 'being a monarchist'.

The royals family disgust me. Time we were rid of the whole stinking cesspit.

I thought he'd withdrawn from public life, for that reason alone, why on earth would the bells be rung for him?

Andrew is a boil on the ass of HM.

Andrew gets a free pass for associating with a known child abuser and he gets to ring in his birthday. Fuck that.

He's born and bred you see. So entitled to do what he fucking well wants. Meghan the blow-in however, isn't allowed to touch her own bump according the DM reading cretins.

I thought he'd withdrawn from public life, for that reason alone, why on earth would the bells be rung for him?

Exactly

Haven't we just had 4 or 5 days of "Innocent until proven guilty at court" thing? cough cough

It may be a bit odd to ring bells on his birthday but if that’s what ordinarily happens then go ahead

It is what ordinarily happens. The Abbey ringers ring for all sorts of routine church and Royal occasions. It is a Royal Peculiar, in the direct control of the monarch. It is quite normal for ringers all around the country to ring for a variety of special occasions, both church-related and non church-related.

www.westminster-abbey.org/events/bell-ringing-days

@ilovesooty
Your being a borderline bully now, please stop.

COME ON! Nippy! That is laughable - there is no bullying - you obviously don't like to be mistaken
So glad I don't know you in real life

Wow ! I feel like the author of a set text ! Except alive, of course.

Eat your heart out Anne "Anne" Brontë

(I suffered TToWH in another life ...)

Under the Act of Settlement 1701, Parliament chooses the monarch. It did so when it imported the German George I. It could change the rules at any time to choose a different family, such as the Redknapp-Lampards:

Long Live King Arry, Queen Sandra, Prince Frank and Princess Christine.

Oh @Nippybutsweet I thought you might come back and say that you had misread and sorry for saying @SerendipityJane was being unkind and now I feel silly because you've instead gone on the defensive to another poster. It would have been so easy to diffuse by acknowledging you read it differently and were mistaken.

You said yourself to be kind?

I think George 1 was related to the British royal family line through his mother . He wasn't imported from nowhere. Isn't there some confusion between the Lampards and the Redknapps here?

Strange, strange thread.

YANBU can’t stand the sight of him. Arrogant man

@halcyondays

Is Andrew still getting money from the Civil List or whatever it’s called now?

No. He isn't performing any 'royal' duties.

And although I don't like him, and I deplore what he has allegedly done, we do have to remember the key word is 'allegedly'.