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To feel really rejected?

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StartingAgain33 · 19/02/2020 13:04

Was seeing someone for 3.5 months. Was progressing really nicely - we were meeting eachother's friends, were exclusive, had just started using boyfriend / girlfriend label - felt safe and happy together, and like feelings were developing at a good pace (although not head over heels). He'd also suggested I meet his dad when he was visiting London.

He has been travelling a lot and had a lot of personal disruption and stress in this time, meaning he has been away for about a month of that and also quite distracted towards the end with said disruption which he has found extremely stressful (he is now going on antidepressants for this). Despite this, it felt like we had established a relatively stable, solid thing (although maybe less connection in the last month due to outside stress).

Then he was told he needed to move back to New York (where he is from) by his job (I'm based in London). He tried his very best to stay - argued with his bosses for weeks and was threatened with being fired etc. His original plan was to settle here and he had been here for two years - but he had no choice (giving up his job would have been stupid - he literally couldn't do better than the one he has, especially not in the UK).

We both agreed it was probably best to break it off rather than go long distance, as we hadn't had a chance to establish enough of a foundation and the only way to be physically together again would be for me to move to New York. I have had a really tough few years and part of me wouldn't mind a fresh start, which I did sort of hint at, but he said he felt that would be lot of pressure on a young relationship and he wouldn't want me to uproot my life.

He also felt that the long distance stuff in between now moving there would not go well - he said he has really suffered from not putting an effort in making friends and establishing himself in London, which has made him very depressed and isolated - and he doesn't want to make that mistake again. He feels that if we were still together his mind would always be in London and he would get anxious and sad (he does have this tendancy), and he would ruin both our relationship and not make a success of his time in New York, which he needs to live in long term now. He also has a huge work project over the next six months which is probably going to mean he's intensely busy - even on weekends.

At the same time though, I feel really sad he doesn't want to try. If he was that into me, I think he would, no? He disagrees and says that he is really into me, that he would have loved to continue this and would have were he in London, and that this decision has nothing to do with his feelings for me or how he saw us developing. He feels we should appreciate what we've had, which has been really good and special, and rare - he hasn't had a girlfriend in quite a long time - but that I should not take this personally at all.

We had a strained conversation yesterday where I was basically trying to get him to admit he just isn't that into me and he refused to and said that the not being able to do long distance is something that is separate to us, and means nothing about how much he values us. He feels like I have a different way of seeing this - which is that feelings are priority and if you want to make something happen it will work - but that he is more practically minded and feels that feelings are only part of an equation.

He feels sad that I'm questioning the validity of our relationship so far because of this, and doesn't want me to think that is wasn't something special.

I guess that he also doesn't want to waste our time on a difficult situation as he knows I want to have kids soon as does he.

Do you think I'm being unreasonable to feel so rejected? I actually feel kind of physically sick. This was the first nice person / relationship I've had in a while, and he made me feel very safe.

But I also think I might be doing something quite self destructive mentally in not believing him, because it probably does make sense practically to end it?

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MzHz · 19/02/2020 15:18

when you know you know

perhaps. but he's NOT on that page is he?

Love, the truth of the matter is that NYC ISN'T an easy place to live. My sis lived there, is a super social and gregarious person, had a big bucks job etc etc, but did she have tons of NY friends? NO. the vast majority of her circle were either British or one half of the couple was. ALL of them at some point or another were homesick and pissed off. Just cos we speak a similar language means NOTHING. You are as foreign in NYC as you would be in Ouagadougou.*

You don't know this guy well, yet enough to know that he's insular at times, prone to melancholy and cuts himself off. At this stage in your relationship life is generally more plain sailing.

It IS wise to break it off. If you went over, the responsibility he would have for your happiness when he can't even keep his own stable would be potentially crushing.

If he goes there and decides he can't Iive without you, there are a gazillion ways to communicate and talk etc and you can take things slowly.

But be prepared that he won't. Sometimes things happen to SHOW you rather than to manifest in reality in your life.

For me you are being taught a lesson. The lesson you learn from this is how to begin to trust, to care and open up to another person. It's for you to learn again how to allow your heart to begin to love. This is not The One, he is a An Example. Take the lesson you have been given, absorb and move on. You can not hold onto a lesson, it is not the one to stay with you, and if you try, you will delay the day that you are ready to meet the man you are supposed to be with.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. I dated a few people over a 7 year period and there were ones I met who were completely wrong. I learned how to spot them and how to manage them away from me safely, how to set and manage my own boundaries, and finally to learn to take the hardest decision in the world - to end a 1 year relationship - when told (by him) that he was only with me because it was convenient.

Ouch. I saw what I had to do, and I ended it.

I lost my head/heart once more after that, but it taught me what it felt like to love with all of myself. When that blew up it was crippling.

Eventually (keeping the focus on finding someone who loved me entirely for me and me alone) I got lucky and am the happiest I always hoped but never quite believed I would be...

Have faith @StartingAgain33. Please have faith. You will find the one for you, and he will be just as in love with you as you are with him.

*Ouagadougou picked completely at random...

user1484 · 19/02/2020 15:19

You need a Visa to work (and live for more than 3 months) in NY.
Unless your current employer have an office there and can justify your move, it’s not possible for you to live and work in the country.

StartingAgain33 · 19/02/2020 15:19

@shytown would I actually need to marry him to be in the US, even for like three - six months as a trial?

If so that definitely puts a new spin on things. It would be crazy to do that at this stage.

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 19/02/2020 15:20

Just for clarity, I'm not saying that he's not into you. It sounds as if he very much was. For whatever reason, he's being forced to move and he doesn't want to continue the relationship. It doesn't mean that he won't be regretting that.

StartingAgain33 · 19/02/2020 15:21

@lyingwithinthewardrobe the only two options are

  1. He gives up his job (which I would never want him to do for us after three months)
  1. I give up my life and marry him to get a green card.

I don't think it's as simple as him not wanting his. He tried extremely hard to stay in London. I believe that and saw it. But his boss was not having it.

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Itsonlywords · 19/02/2020 15:21

People deal with things in different ways and perhaps he just knows what he needs to do to make it work. In honesty I would rather a clean break so I could make a go of living somewhere new, and having someone long distance is time consuming and does stop you moving forward to be honest. It's hard enough if they are still in the same country, let alone abroad. If you had been together for a few years and built a life together then I can see how it would make sense to give it a go, or talk about moving as well. I don't think it necessarily reflects how he feels about you personally, but he has moved abroad before and knows what it is like. Sorry you are dissapointed, please try not to let it ruin your confidence. If it's meant to be it will find a way, I would try and move on.

Itsonlywords · 19/02/2020 15:22

Also he would leave his job if he felt he had met the love of his life and wouldn't have another chance at happiness I imagine.

StartingAgain33 · 19/02/2020 15:23

Ok thanks @lyingwithinthewardrobe, it did read a bit like that. But the more I think through this and look at people's responses, the more unreasonable I think are the ones that are like 'it is you - not the situation' - because I honestly can't see a practical solution here. It WOULD be crazy for me to try and get a green card (ie marry him) after this short time. We were still very much establishing ourselves`!

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ChicCroissant · 19/02/2020 15:26

It's very manipulative to 'hint' at a fresh start - you've known him for about two and a half months and want to use him to get to NY, even though you have no right of abode there or permission to work! How is that going to work then?

You don't sound happy OP, but it's not up to this man to sort anything out for you. That's down to you.

lilyheather1 · 19/02/2020 15:27

Let him leave you behind OP. Hard as it may sound going long distance after a few weeks is hard at best, daft at worst. There's no good enough reason to uproot yourself for such a short relationship and egging him on to give you an answer about how much or not he's into you is a trap. You want him to admit it so you can tell yourself you were right, but also don't want to hear it. It isn't healthy.

Move on and life your best life. Treat this like you would a holiday romance, let yourself grieve and drink too much wine and then move on. I absolutely promise you that you will be fine 😊

FilthyforFirth · 19/02/2020 15:28

You can't just follow him to the US. I have had friends who get married after ltr's who still werent able to simply move to the US. You would have needed a job.

I think it is crazy to be this attached after such a short space of time personally. However DH lived the other end of the IL when we got together. I didnt want long diastance but also told him he couldnt move solely for me. I wouldnt want the pressure in case I wanted to break up with him. He did move 'for me' I guess but he had a big network close to where I was living anyway. We moved in after 5 months.

StartingAgain33 · 19/02/2020 15:29

@ChicCroissant Lol that's quite an extreme take - I had no wish to move to NY until he was moving there, and the reason why I hinted was because I sort of knew it was a crazy idea and didn't want to make him feel under pressure / put myself up for rejection when the sensible answer was clearly no!

Manipulative is a very strong - and needlessly insulting - word....

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ShyTown · 19/02/2020 15:29

@shytown would I actually need to marry him to be in the US, even for like three - six months as a trial?
You could go an ESTA for up to 90 days but you couldn’t work during that time as it’s a visa waiver program for tourists. If you could genuinely pay your own way and he wouldn’t have to support you then that might be ok while it lasted. However, when the 3 months were up you’d have to leave and then get married to come back. And you still would have only been together 6 months. I know you want it to work and sorry but in my opinion you’re clutching a straws and it would just be dragging out the inevitable. Besides, if he wants a clean break then you have to respect that.

user1484 · 19/02/2020 15:30

@shytown would I actually need to marry him to be in the US, even for like three - six months as a trial?

You could go and live there as a tourist for up to 90 days. You wouldn’t be allowed into the country without a return ticket.

I guess you could work from his apartment but how would you manage to pay for everything?

You would have to use your credit card, but I guess the foreign exchange fees would be a lot. Unless he gives you money $ and you pay him back into his UK £ account.

I think it’s all very complicated, especially since he’s not so keen on the idea.

dustibooks · 19/02/2020 15:32

You can't just go and live (let alone work) in the USA because you want to. It is far more complicated than that.

dontgobaconmyheart · 19/02/2020 15:33

Scenes of SATC and anecdotes from friends is not real life OP. If you're unhappy in your own life, which it sounds as though you are- find ways to change that, don't look to leap on someone who isn't a match to facilitate it. Moving countries for someone you barely know is ridiculous, especially when you aren't even invited and he doesn't want it to continue.

You know he doesn't want you to go with him and it's also true he definitely could have asked to give it a try. He hasn't and he's made every 'putting you off and letting you down gently' comment possible. As an aside he sounds problematic and you barely know him. Sounds like he has a lot going on, emotional problems (no girlfriend in ages) depression, unhappy in his job, unhappy with his social life. It would be a no even if he were in the UK I'd have thought.

Listen to what he's doing OP, and what he is saying when he isn't trying to pander to you being upset about it.

Wineislifex · 19/02/2020 15:34

You sound very full on and if you want to maintain any kind of connection with this man I’d wind it down a notch or two before he goes running for the hills! I think you’re massively romanticising how your life could be, but logistically you couldn’t just up and leave, surely you have mortgage/rent/a job family to consider? Also I don’t think the US would just let you in! But saying this, I did move in with my DH after two weeks and we’ve been together nearly a decade now so I am a firm believer of when you know you know, but to be honest he doesn’t sound all that into you I’m afraid!

StartingAgain33 · 19/02/2020 15:34

@dustybooks @ShyTown @user1484

Hm. I'm now starting to think that there are more practical considerations I hadn't realised, but which he clearly is more familiar with than me. It's starting to make a lot more sense now, especially if I couldn't even work from there.

The idea of just going for three months and then using that to decide whether we want to get married sounds kind of terrifying and like a recipe for disaster! I don't deal with pressure at the best of times!

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 19/02/2020 15:36

StartingAgain, gently, but you didn't have the option of 2. He actually stymied it according to you. You hinted loud and clear and he shut it down. He didn't mention marriage, I think you would have said if he had.

I agree with PP that if he would have really been inclined to make it work out, he could have met you half way. You were already there...

I recognise your sadness and desperation about this because I've been there too in the past but I was reading MinisterForCheekyFuckery's post and she really has it, in a nutshell.

I wouldn't waste any more time and emotion on this relationship... for your sake, nobody else's.

I don't think anybody's out to kick you or make you feel worse. You have so many posts because I think your thread resonates with many of us. For myself, if my posts make you stop and think before you offer anything else - and are roundly rejected - that it is a result - for you.

StartingAgain33 · 19/02/2020 15:37

@dontgobaconmyheart Just to be clear - I am not trying to persuade him! I gently hinted at it, and have on the surface agreed this is for the best. I'm just feeling secretly rejected even though I myself couldn't think of a practical solution. Are you saying I should discount what he's said about his feelings for me because he is being practical about this? I'm not sure I should.

@Wineislifex - two weeks is extremely short. Did you not have your own homes at the time? Surely this was partly circumstantial and not just 'we instantly love eachother and must live together now'? Why not wait a bit?

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AmICrazyorWhat2 · 19/02/2020 15:37

I'm sorry you're feeling low, OP. Flowers.

I did marry an American, we were together for 8 months in Europe, then had two years apart before getting married. We didn't pine for each other, though, we kept in touch but that relationship break made us realise that we were right for each other. The paperwork is a massive pain and there's no way you could go to NYC for 3-6 months to see whether things work out - unless your employer temporarily transferred you.

I'd let it go for now, but if you find that you're really missing each other, you might want to give it another go. DH was "the one" for me and we didn't rush things because we wanted to be 100% sure.

StartingAgain33 · 19/02/2020 15:42

@LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Just to be clear - I was never suggesting I marry him and get a green card!! I actually didn't realise I'd have to until I saw all these posts about it. That, of course, is not an option. I am not at that stage of feelings by any shot - don't even know if I agree with marriage which I have told him already!

I definitely have not been pushing this option to him. I gently suggested that the option for us would be that we did a LDR with a view to seeing if we wanted me to move over, but in all honesty I had no idea about the practical implications of that. It now makes even more sense to me why his response was that that would be a lot of pressure on a very young relationship.

I wasn't completely sure I wanted a LDR either way - which is why I think I'm being silly by beating myself up about this and turning it into a big rejection!

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Wineislifex · 19/02/2020 15:46

No, we just knew this was it and wanted to be together, he gave his rental up and moved 100miles to me and we got an apartment together..if it’s real you make it work!

Brazi103 · 19/02/2020 15:46

Hes doing the sensible thing op. It's far too short a time to be making massive moves across country and he realizes that it wont work otherwise.

Bluntness100 · 19/02/2020 15:48

Gosh op, when you go at things you do it properly. Moving to New York for a guy you've known weeks is really a massive thing, never mind suggesting, or hinting, to do it with someone who is trying to dump you.

He's been away for about a month of this time, and at least another couple of weeks of distraction etc. You hardly know the bloke.

I know it's sad when things don't work out, but suggesting moving thousands of miles to someplace you've never even visited, to be with a man who is trying to end the relationship and who doesn't wish you to come with him is really not sensible.

Back off gracefully, for both your sakes. Don't make him spell it out.

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