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to be worried about coronavirus part 3

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peridito · 18/02/2020 09:28

starting this in case ivybush is busy

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WaterSheep · 19/02/2020 19:01

“Two Iranians, who tested positive earlier today for new coronavirus, died of respiratory illness,”

Iran’s health ministry spokesman Kianush Jahanpur confirmed their death on Twitter.

Very unlikely to just be the 2 cases in Iran, considering they're serious enough to die on the same day that their cases were confirmed. Shock

ofwarren · 19/02/2020 19:16

They tested posthumously so it sounds like they arent checking routinely. They could have been ill for ages for all we know.
There is rumour that there are quarantines in place in a prison in Tehran. It doesn't sound like they are on top of it to be honest.

GorkyMcPorky · 19/02/2020 19:28

Looks like China is reverting to counting only positive test results for the purpose of reporting new cases.

to be worried about coronavirus part 3
Grinchlywords · 19/02/2020 19:41

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RedToothBrush · 19/02/2020 20:42

The BBC are saying 25 cases suspected:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51563039
Iran reports two suspected fatal cases at Qom hospital

Spokesman Kianush Jahanpour tweeted that they died due to their "old age and deficient immune systems" while being treated in hospital in Qom.

Deputy Health Minister Qasem Janbabaei told the Young Journalists' Club (YJC) that they were both Iranian nationals.

and

State news agency IRNA reported that they had not travelled abroad or even outside of Qom province prior to their deaths.

The agency later said that schools and universities in the province would be closed on Thursday as a precaution against further spread of the disease.

and

BBC Persian understands that 25 people are being quarantined in the same hospital on suspicion that they might have Covid-19.

So they seem to have caught through local transmission in Iran. And given these are the first two confirmed cases - having no link to China is bad news.

Jenasaurus · 19/02/2020 20:44

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/coronavirus-fears-over-woman-in-custody-as-police-self-isolate/ar-BB10axsM?ocid=spartanntp

Burton On Trent lady in custody is being tested for Coronovirus the police told to give a wide birth.

RedToothBrush · 19/02/2020 20:48

Iran News Wire @IranNW
Two Iranians die of #coronavirus in #Iran holy city
1. Kianush Jahanpur, the Ministry of Health Head of Public Relations and Information Center, said that the two infected people passed away in a hospital in Qom to respiratory illnesses.

2. The head of the city’s University of Medical Sciences also told the state-run Mehr News Agency that there was an increase of respiratory illnesses in the city in the past 4 days.

3. Mohammad Reza Qadir told the public that there was no need for everyone to wear masks and that only those with “special illnesses” should use masks.

4. “We are honest with the people and will let them know all the issues that come up,” Qadir said.
But #Iranians do not believe the regime is being honest with them. They say that the actual cases of the #coronavirus are much higher & that the regime is hiding the real numbers.

5. According to experts, the case fatality rate of COVID-19 is around 2.5 percent.
Iranians are saying that this means at least 80 other people are probably infected with the #coronavirus in #Iran.

6. Just yesterday, the Qom University of Medical Sciences announced in a statement that the two people who died due to respiratory illnesses in Qom were not infected with the #coronavirus.

7. “There is no evidence that the two deceased patients in Qom were infected with the #coronavirus. The two deceased patients had not made any trips outside of the country and did not have any suspicious contacts,” the university said in the statement carried by ISNA News Agency.

8. These kinds of contradictory statements are nothing new in #Iran. They're one of the reasons #Iranians have lost their trust in a regime that refused to admit it shot down an international airliner & still has not announced how many it killed during Nov. #IranProtests.

LarkDescending · 19/02/2020 21:16

Interesting to see on the last day of the Diamond Princess quarantine that 700 people on board are yet to be tested. Presumably they will all be teated, given that quarantine is only supposed to have ended for those whose tests are negative?

RedToothBrush · 19/02/2020 22:17

Japanese broadcaster NHK now saying the number of seriously ill from the Diamond Princess cruise ship who are seriously ill is now up to 28 (from 20).

I note the Abels were put into a hostel not a hospital because there were no beds for them in hospital at the moment. They said they were supposed to be being moved to a hospital in a few days.

The handling of the ship's quaratine begs a big question: if there were people going on and off the ship with such poor infection control, did they spread it around Tokyo? Are they the source of the mysterious cases that haven't been linked back to other cases?

LoadsaBlusher · 20/02/2020 00:13

I’m getting nhs Coronavirus handwashing ads on my instagram feed now...

Seems Iran are taking the “2” person outbreak v seriously...

The Japanese whistle blowers you tube videos have been taken down

WhoWants2Know · 20/02/2020 07:01

Two people in their 80s from the cruise ship have now died.

LarkDescending · 20/02/2020 07:46

South Korea’s caseload is increasing very steeply - looks like the Daegu cluster is a significant person-to-person outbreak.

NemophilistRebel · 20/02/2020 07:47

The Iran cases are concerning

No cases of Coronavirus a few days ago and today 2 dead.

WaterSheep · 20/02/2020 08:11

Looks like China is reverting to counting only positive test results for the purpose of reporting new cases.

Any idea why they've reversed this decision? It seems strange given we know people can have the virus but test negative.

GorkyMcPorky · 20/02/2020 08:20

@WaterSheep, no idea. I'm only following Helen Branswell.

RedToothBrush · 20/02/2020 08:25

1st death in South Korea.

LarkDescending · 20/02/2020 08:44

Interesting that both Singapore and South Korea (Daegu) have experienced significant church-based outbreaks. Perhaps linked to e.g. sharing a communion cup? Or handshaking/embracing etc.

RedToothBrush · 20/02/2020 09:04

Just reading up on iran.

It's very difficult to get anything verified, but there are a number of citizen journalists who are reporting on inconsistent news and leaks. Needs to be stressed that these are unreliable but I think they do point to a big cover up in progress.

irantrue.com/coronavirus-in-iran-two-confirmed-dead/
Coronavirus in Iran: Two Confirmed Dead

There were reports of cases in different cities but unfortunately like any other crisis, Islamic Republic regime has chosen to lie and deny everything. There are many reasons for this behavior which we’ll get to later on, but for now, I go through what we do know about the whole situation in Iran, specifically.

Prior to the 41st anniversary of 1979 IR revolution on Feb 11, unconfirmed reports came out about 35 cases of Coronavirus patients. In the leaked letter, there was request of stopping import of food and materials from China and all travels to/from the country. However, because regime wanted to avoid panic and maximum participation in their show of pro-regime demonstration, they denied everything. A few days later, another report said a few suspected patients were admitted in Gilan province, officials denied, again!

And

Two days ago, a letter was leaked from Interior Minister to the Health Minister stating that because Fri Feb 21 is the “election” day, following orders of the Supreme Leader and Supreme National Security Council, do not release any information about Coronavirus cases in the country. After this letter was circulated in social media, the Interior Ministry issued a statement denying the letter existed and said they would launch an investigation and bring the person posting it to justice!

Fast forward, morning of Feb 19, Ministry of Health Public Office confirmed two patients showing positive results for Coronavirus. A couple of hours later, they announced both of those people have died. Strange, right? Well, not really! According to the brother of one of these patients, he was admitted to the hospital a WEEK ago with respiratory issues. After 3 days, he gets worse and x-ray of the lungs show total lung failure. He is intubated and moved to ICU. The head of the ICU tells the brother, “we’ve had several cases like these, the prognosis is not good. I don’t know what kind of infection it is because it doesn’t respond to any antibiotic/antiviral.”

The brother tells the doctor, “but he hasn’t traveled anywhere and have no prior illness.” The doctor responds, neither did the other cases. When his condition deteriorates, he asks the doctor to test his brother for Coronavirus. The doctor says, “we haven’t done this test before.” He orders the test and it comes back positive, this morning!

Now obviously the tone of the article is very much anti-regime so there is a potential agenda to discredit the regime.

But here's another earlier report which does suggest there may well be a much bigger and wider problem.

From 12th Feb
shgl.tv/2020/02/12/iran-woman-dies-of-suspected-coronavirus-infection/
Iran woman dies of suspected coronavirus infection

An Iranian woman has died of suspected coronavirus infection, the state daily newspaper IRAN reported on Wednesday, without citing any sources.

The 63-year-old woman died in a Tehran hospital on Monday, the newspaper said, and an investigation has been ordered into the cause of her death.

A spokesman for Iran’s Health Ministry, Kianush Jahanpour, denied the report

“There have been no cases of coronavirus in Iran,” he said.

Iranian health authorities have repeatedly said there were no confirmed cases of coronavirus in the country.

It does suggest there are no confirmed cases, but this might be purely down to failing to test to confirm a positive COVID-19 diagnosis.

There are rumours that Qom has been shut down with riot police sent to the area amid fears of protests / unrest ahead of tomorrow's election.

At this stage this is all questionable but I think there will be a lot leaking out over the next few days as it becomes apparent how out of control the situation in Iran is. Given the lack of travel history of the two who have died, it does suggest it is out of control.

RedToothBrush · 20/02/2020 09:08

This from reputable news agency. Which says much of the above. They appear to think the information is at least partially credible.

english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2020/02/18/Iran-s-interior-minister-urges-health-minister-to-withhold-coronavirus-info-Report.html#
Iran interior minister urges health minister to conceal coronavirus info: Report

GorkyMcPorky · 20/02/2020 09:47

The citizen journalists in China are also doing a brilliant job.

Mittens030869 · 20/02/2020 10:05

@LarkDescending Yes I've been worrying about churches. Communion cups, yes, that's a possibility, but what poses a much bigger risk is that churches mostly offer tea and coffee and biscuits/cakes after services. And also, another risk is toilet hygiene/or lack of it.

We go to a big Pentecostal church (1000 attending or thereabouts. And it's very international, which ordinarily I love, but I'm wondering whether I should stay away for the moment. Or go and not have tea after the service?

I've never worried about this sort of thing before, but I now have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and has pneumonia last year following on from a bad bout of flu. And, as I understand it, coronavirus sounds like it's a kind of viral pneumonia. In addition, I have 2 adopted DDs with attachment issues (10 and 7).

The trouble is, we don't even know if there really is a risk to the general public in this country yet, so I don't know whether I'm massively overthinking this?

I absolutely hate this!! I've never unduly worried like this about illness in my life before.

Mittens030869 · 20/02/2020 10:07

A lot of churches use little goblets these days, not a single communion cup these days, so communion isn't such a big risk as it used to be.

Ciwirocks · 20/02/2020 10:19

When swine flu broke out our church stopped wine at communion and hand shaking. I have never took the wine since, I have always thought it was an infection control risk especially as there is quite an elderly population in churches

justdeckingthehalls1 · 20/02/2020 10:42

*Looks like China is reverting to counting only positive test results for the purpose of reporting new cases.

Any idea why they've reversed this decision? It seems strange given we know people can have the virus but test negative.*

They've just changed their head official. If they changed their reporting criteria a few days ago, they could get rid of all the outstanding cases and blame the numbers on the old guy. Now the new guy is in they can go back to the previous style of reporting, bringing the numbers way down, and claim huge success in control of the outbreak under the new regime. It's nothing to do with a change in cases, it's just politics 🤷🏻‍♀️

Mittens030869 · 20/02/2020 10:44

I'd be very happy to see handshaking banned permanently, personally. It just feels so false, especially when we're expected to greet those people around us. Or maybe I'm just a misery guts. Grin

Oh well, rant over. To get back to the point, churches should really be thinking about how to mitigate the risks, otherwise it could potentially be a disaster waiting to happen.

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