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to say if you work, please join a union

179 replies

frankie80 · 17/02/2020 17:59

I have been off work for a year due to bullying, discrimination etc that caused me to have a breakdown and feel suicidal.

I went to my workplace rep who was nice and sympathetic but quickly realised she was out of her depth who passed me to the regional equality rep who has been absolutely amazing.

Thanks to my union, I have had:

  1. my grievance and appeal letters written for me and damn, they are good. my work have struggled to wriggle out of what they have done
2, representation at all formal meetings from senior union officials 3, full pay for 12 months negotiated by my union 4, no annual leave taken off me even when I took (pre booked) holidays so I have had 40 days carried over into this year on top of this years entitlement 5, no bullshit. My union have been 100% honest about my case, whats strong, what's not strong 6, downgrading a disciplinary to a first written warning when it was looking like dismissal and pointing out to my employer that I am now adding victimisation to my case 7, introducing me to people who have had similar experiences for support network 8, got my employer to pay for specialised counselling (not the employee assistance programme) 9, got policy changes agreed in my workplace 10, got reasonable adjustments in place for me, including ones I hadn't considered 11, put an employment tribunal claim in for me 12, negotiated a positive reference for when I ever decide to leave 13, negotiated additional responsibilities etc for me at work in light of not being promoted due to my protected characteristics 14, putting me through union representative training so I can help colleagues 15, pushed for my line managers to be disciplined, if not fired, ensured their behaviour was not swept under the carpet 16, just sat and listened to me, let me cry and cry 17, answered emails and text messages at weekends and evenings. 18, sent me a very nice email saying how qualified, experienced and capable I am, not to mention strong and resilient and that they weren't just saying that because it was their job but that they were genuinely impressed with me.

I know so many people who are not in unions who got shafted by my employer. I was in a union since the age of 16 when I worked part time in a shop, now I'm full time in the public sector. My parents always insisted I join one and I thank them for that. I've only needed my union twice in my career but this occasion has been the biggie.

So although I've been a member for 17 years, I knew that didn't mean I was paying for nothing. You never know when union membership might be needed.

My union is Unison and I am so grateful to them because I really do not know how I would have coped this year without them. I do not have legal cover or anything like that I could have used instead. I did try going to HR at first but they were utterly incompetent and downright nasty - another thing that will feature in the tribunal claim. I am HR qualified btw so I'm not the typical HR hating employee.

So if you are in employment, please join a union, you don't know when you might need one. Yes there are workplace reps who are not very good (I've had some myself!) but always push for the regional rep if you aren't happy. I'd always rather be in a union than out of one.

Also don't make the assumption that if you are in a union then everything will go your way. If you steal something they are not going to pat you on the head, give you false hope and stop you from getting fired. They will, however, advise you of your options.

Anyway, if you join a union, make it Unison. They aren't just for the public sector.

OP posts:
Thedogscollar · 17/02/2020 18:03

100% agree to join a union when you start work. I'm also in Unison I joined them over the RCM who are useless and very expensive.

ElderAve · 17/02/2020 18:04

I'm not so sure, some unions in some industries are very good and hold considerable power. In many industries all the union can offer is legal support which you can get through your house insurance. Unison suggests public sector? So, yes that's an example of when it's a good thing to have.

When DH was fighting an unfair dismissal case in the private sector, ACAS were actually far more useful than his union.

IShineAShoe · 17/02/2020 18:05

Unison were utter shit when I needed them.
I’m glad it worked out for you, but I have vowed to never join a union again due to their complete lack of care and sheer incompetence.

Ffsnosexallowed · 17/02/2020 18:08

Glad it worked for you. I was dealing with an ill health dismissal recently. Person's union rep just never turned up to any meetings. They were useless (we did treat person fairly, but she had no support at all from her Union)

Rejected101 · 17/02/2020 18:08

I was bullied and my union rep was best mates with the bullies and I had to go through them so I gave up . The union were 💩

MargeryB · 17/02/2020 18:20

They are too expensive for me to have considered it.

frankie80 · 17/02/2020 18:21

@ElderAve I actually found ACAS to be useless, their helpline at least

@Ffsnosexallowed did the person know their union rep couldn't make it? they could have rearranged the meeting?

@Rejected101 did you not have another rep you could try?

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bringincrazyback · 17/02/2020 18:22

Couldn't agree more OP. If the unions were still strong like they were at one time, some of the shocking exploitation that goes on now might have been challenged and nipped in the bud by now.

HuckfromScandal · 17/02/2020 18:23

Really glad to read your message.
As a full time official who works for unison - this is absolutely why I do my job every single day. And totally love it.

Rejected101 · 17/02/2020 18:30

@frankie80 no sadly I phoned the union and explained and they said I had to speak to this person . Another colleague had the same problem. I am really glad you had a good result though as that is how unions are meant to be .

Star81 · 17/02/2020 18:30

I was in a union and they did a one day strike when I was pregnant. They advised pregnant people not to strike as it affected maternity pay. Therefore I went into work as they advised and they shouted at me for crossing the picket line. It was actually very upsetting. They then had the audacity to apologise the next day, and yes they did know I was one of the pregnant ones as I went in.

I wouldn’t join a union again after this.

Jarvisisgod · 17/02/2020 18:31

Unions did fuck all for my DH. Useless. Unite is the worst

inwood · 17/02/2020 18:34

Great but there's no unions in my world.

Gingerkittykat · 17/02/2020 18:38

My DD raised a grievance for homophobic bullying which swiftly led to her being suspended for bogus reasons by the manager who had bullied her.

The union rep was amazing and supported her every step of the way through her suspension, hearings and return to work.

She found a new job shortly afterwards to get out of the toxic environment and the manager was sacked for carrying out similar actions on another employee.

*I also used to work for CAB and had many people come in with employment problems. They could only do a very limited amount and I wished a lot of those people were union members.

SouthernComforts · 17/02/2020 18:43

How does this work outside the public sector and/very large companies? I work for a very small owner managed business. There is no HR person never mind reps. I could not imagine the reaction if I rocked up with a rep in tow.

Littlecaf · 17/02/2020 18:46

When friends moan about working condition, manager bullying and pay my first question is “are you a member of a union?” Usually swiftly followed by a “why not?”...... you have a problem at work, join a union or stop moaning or leave.

kikilo · 17/02/2020 18:46

If you can't or won't join a union I suggest you look at paying a little extra on your home/contents/car insurance for legal expenses cover. My insurance company covered huge legal bill for an employment tribunal.

BooFuckingHoo2 · 17/02/2020 18:47

How does this work for people in the private sector?

wafflyversatile · 17/02/2020 18:51

Absolutely yes, join a union. The more people join the stronger unions will be.

geekaMaxima · 17/02/2020 19:05

There are plenty of unions for the private sector, usually depending on nature of business https://www.tuc.org.uk/unions

geekaMaxima · 17/02/2020 19:08

And third sector, come to that.

Ffsnosexallowed · 17/02/2020 19:09

No, union rep was meant to be there, just didn't turn up - twice. She agreed to go ahead without the rep. Still don't know why rep wasn't there.

Harpingon · 17/02/2020 19:12

If the unions were not so linked to the Labour Party many more would join.

DragonMamma · 17/02/2020 19:14

I’ve worked in HR for a long time. I’ve genuinely only met one half decent union rep in that time.

The rest seemed to promise their members that they could ‘get them off’ with whatever misdemeanours they were accused of.

I’m glad you’ve had a good one OP. I’m sure decent ones do exist.

Els1e · 17/02/2020 19:16

I’m glad you have had a good experience but sorry I can’t say the same. I use to be in Unison. They were fine at taking my dues but when I was at risk of redundancy, didn’t bother turning up for meetings and basically fairly useless with information and advice. I had to sort everything myself.

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