Father's for justice...WT actual F

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Just checked out their instagram page (f4jofficial) after this Caroline Flack/kerry Katona thing. Wtf have they become? They seem like an extremist group trolling female celebrities with gossip nonsense .They seem to hate everyone with a vagina! I remember when they were a few blokes climbing up buildings dressed up as batman. And they are a 'charity'!!

They have always been misogynist shitbags. Fuck them.

If you were to listen to my brother his 'bitch of an ex' wouldn't let him see his kids after he left.

On the face of it he was right.

She wouldn't let him just turn up as and when it suited him to. A regular contact arrangement was set up but then he would have a reason why he couldnt do his day and would get arsey when she wouldn't swap because she had already made plans.

He would bang on about equal custody but of course this didnt mean him doing an equal number of school runs, or taking time off for illnesses or other events. Equal custody to him was being able to dictate when he would see them even if it meant turning up unannounced at bedtime because he just happened to be passing.

My mum and dad have the kids for one weekend a month and his ex has no issues with including us in things - she is even coming on holiday with the extended family later this year.

To my brother this means we are choosing her over him of course.

Half of the issue (like anything family court related) you get half the story.
Quite rightly, social services / courts can’t defend their actions. So you just get one person spouting off, meanwhile the truth can’t be told.

Along with Sammy Woodhouse, one of the Rochdale victims, whose rapist was "offered a role in her child's life”

That’s not what happened though. It’s what was reported, but not what happened. While I agree we could do with more transparency in the family courts, it won’t stop incorrect reporting like this as in this case the facts were actually available. The Practice Directions the court abides by state that all parents of children involved in public law proceedings must be informed. So in this case the father, the rapist, was informed. There’s not a cats chance in hell he would have had contact, even had he applied.

F4J are unhinged and it’s usually fairly easy to tell when people are involved with them.

There are other organisations who are set up to provide genuine support, who are not the same.

I had a friend who offered DCs father all the access he wanted. DC had been the result of a brief affair but she wanted him to be a parent if he wished.
He saw DC a few times as a baby when she pushed and then not again for years. When DC was 6 he had a health scare and decided he did want to be a father.
Turns up, DC has no memory of this man obviously and is timid of them as he’s basically a bloody stranger. He’s furious DC isn’t all over him as he is ‘daddy’ and blames my friend for ‘ruining his relationship with his child.’ Never seen them again.
I think some men are amazingly not self aware at all.

There’s not a cats chance in hell he would have had contact, even had he applied.

My friend also thought that - but it still took years and £thousands to fight it, when he applied for access. She succeeded in preventing access, but he point is women shouldn't be put through this by men who have been sexually violent to them.

Sammy Woodhouse was talking about a change in law to prevent rapists applying for access at all, to stop rapists further abusing their victims through the family courts (even if they don't have a "hope in hell" it is still beyond stressful and expensive for the mother).

They were always a bit crazy tbh.

ExBil is an avid supporter of F4J always sharing there posts and writing status about how he has nothing to live for because my bitch SIL (DH sis) won't let him see his kids. Drives me mad that women agree with him and comment underneath 'I was the father of my child cared like you'.

The reality is he refused to pay any child support, never showed up to his cousins house for visiting (SIL agreed to have visiting there for his benefit rather than a contact centre) and only ever contacts her a week before Christmas to demand that they stay in his house xmas eve, of course he expects her to bring the santa presents she's bought up to his house....he was told where to go.

She is on great terms with his mum and siblings regularly meets up, holidays and even spent the past two Christmas' with them, he was invited but didn't attend as his family was taking her side... The reality is it didn't fit his 'poor me tale of woe'

The gulliblity of the girls commenting sympathy on his status when they post that they're going through the same thing with there baby daddy's really irks me.

They can post all the aggressive threats they like on their facebook page, and climb buildings in 'superman' outfits (don't make me laugh), but its harmless to women, they just show themselves up for what they are.

As for plotting against women, I mean what can they actually do, nothing.

I don’t follow either Kerry Katona or Caroline Flack so I had no idea about this until I saw it appear on the explore page of my Instagram.

I have no idea of the ins and outs of either women but F4J social media pages are incredibly aggressive and threatening. If they did have any valid arguments, they shoot themselves in the foot by being such bullies

It might have already been mentioned but I think Fathers 4 Justice targeted Caroline Flack because her ex fiancé tagged them in a tweet about her being a domestic abuser after the story of the alleged lamp assault broke