Father's for justice...WT actual F

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Just checked out their instagram page (f4jofficial) after this Caroline Flack/kerry Katona thing. Wtf have they become? They seem like an extremist group trolling female celebrities with gossip nonsense .They seem to hate everyone with a vagina! I remember when they were a few blokes climbing up buildings dressed up as batman. And they are a 'charity'!!

F4J have always been pretty vile. They seem to have a very warped idea of Justice. I have spent 9 years working to ensure my ds sees his dad as much as possible, and absolutely believe in shared parenting. I would be the first to support an isolated parent but not in an aggressive way.

F4J have always been nutters.

I knew they were extreme but on his Instagram he's targeting random celebrities

@FreshFancyFrogglette Yes because their attitude to women and things they post is exactly the same as some of those groups. HATE.

@GlummyMcGlummerson Exactly right! We keep hearing these stories about ALL these men having their kids taken from them.. The courts aren't sending fathers away from their kids. It is a bloody lie. But go on these sites and they're full of horror stories.

These incel groups want to turn the clock back to a time 30yrs ago when they just walked out and didn't pay for their kids / ex wives... and everyone shrugged. Now they are pissed things are different. If tmrw the govt said it would foot the bill and would no longer go after fathers we wouldn't hear a peek from 99.9% of these so called "men".

God I hate F4J my very abusive ex adores them. When he was on social media he used to like so many of their things and when I questioned him and said but you see your child I never have stopped you? He was like well some men don't see their kids and I think it's a great site.
He also hates women I'm pretty sure. He also hate paying me maintenance so I'm not surprised he's OK there.
Evil group

F4J spokesman was on the radio a few years ago and he was telling the presenter how only men have to have a welfare & police check before Cafcass report , the woman presenter was so supportive and assumed he was telling the truth.

He appeared credible and I guess she didn't think he would blatantly lie. I was going through court with abusive Ex and knew what he was saying was a lie as both parents are screened. There is no way he didn't know this so just an example of how they distort reality.

I think they have been highly successful in pursuing parental alienation as a strategy as courts take this seriously.

I remember reading a post on their Facebook page from the point of view of their token "I am a woman and I agree therefore no women can say we are sexist" person which still haunts me.

She accompanied a man to court who was accused of abusing his ex for a custody case.

She described the need for screens being put up so that the victim would not have to look at her alleged abuser and the distress she showed when speaking about her experiences as an "Oscar-winning performance".

Now, I am not saying that no one lies in a courtroom but there was such venom in the way she described this person considering she had obviously only heard one side.

I agree @BrendasUmbrella. If mediation fails it's fairly quick and cheap to apply and self represent in court in England and in Scotland legal aid very much still exists. Obviously there are genuine exceptions but most claiming they can't see their kids haven't tried so much as the basics

I know a man who's heavily involved. His back story is that his ex wife had an affair. He's the worst sexual deviant I've ever had the misfortune to meet

I know a man who went to them when another woman got sole custody of his children (not a relative) because he had a restraining order and 50+ convictions including a restraining order to stop him from contacting woman and children.

Somehow it was all her fault because she was manipulative.

Ok so we'll just go with that and ignore his physical/sexual/ emotional abuse then!

They’ve always been fucking awful but yes they’ve got worse over time and I think their true colours shine through now.

I haven’t seen their posts about Caroline Flack but they gave Kerry Katona a really hard time after her abusive ex died and blamed her for his death which is fucking disgusting.

They seem to attract men who hate women, like all of them, more than they love their children. Absolutely toxic.

It's incredible that obvious hate groups like this are allowed to persist while women's rights groups like Women's Place are targeted.

Actually it's not incredible. It's unsurprising.

They are a hate group but it's ok as they target women.

they are a 'charity'

If they're a registered charity, then report them to the charities commission if you see something untoward.

Report any bullying you see Facebook will ignore the first one but if you click review a human sees it and you have a chance of getting it taken down

And yes they are going after chantelle Houghton not because her ex has said he ismt seeing the child but because the child apparently was crying at one year old after learning her dad was in the building....at one they cry over bananas being broken ffs

There is a petition on change.org if anyone can link. I can't get it right now.

They are a hate group but it's ok as they target women

Yes indeed, sex is the only "protected" characteristic under the equalities act for which acts of hate are not a crime.

Organisers of acts of hate against women can even get charitable status.

Ita actually extremely difficult to keep father's and dc apart
No it isn't. It isn't at all, especially when the child in question is still a baby. They will not granted unsupervised visits for months, then no nights until baby has stopped breastfeeding, which can be years.

Try to build a bond with a baby you only see a couple of hours, in a public area, especially when the mother will do anything for the father to dissapear, introduced a new man in her life who gets to spend every day and night with a child, who will inevitably bond more with that man.

Had to this when the mother moves miles away and it's up to the father to travel hours to spend a couple of hours with his child, with the child who might be tired, hungry, grumpy, and not much interested in spending time with this man who doesn't mean much to them, hence making the experience nothing much rewarding.

Yes, going to court is easy, but the investment expected from a nrp can be such that with a mother on a mission to get him out of the way, it becomes much heartbreaking and totally disheartning.

Wow that Instagram account is embarrassing. They sound totally unhinged, ranting about Megan leading Harry into a TRAP, commenting on celebrity situations that don’t involve children, totally bonkers. I think they’ve shown their true colours. Luckily they don’t seem to have much of a following.

Is I don’t know anyone personally - but they always reminds me of the people who pushed fake memory syndrome. ‘I’m a good man, I’m the best dad, the mum poised everyone against me! Mememememe - I want!’

petition

I've must searched the charities register and can't see Fathers for Justice listed there.

There was a spate of cases where women had successfully argued that their cheating husbands avoid be punished for their infidelity by not seeing their children. Their reckoning, which the judge agreed with and would severely limit access, that a good father wouldn't cheat or neglect his wife. This was way back probably late nineties early 2000s.

I remember one of them wrote a big article in the Mail, the wife I mean, she was quite clear that he was a terrible husband and that was why she felt his access should be seldom if at all. She saw that as logical and therefore didn't hide it much.

Signed.

I don't get all this uproar about fathers 4 justice thing - if they want access, they simply apply to the courts. Unless evidence of abuse is shown, they're granted it. The courts see men and woman/mothers and fathers equally and usually agree it is in the best interest for the child to have contact with both parents.

I personally have a problem with an abusive ex, but with lack of evidence, I have to accept access might be granted nevertheless - it makes my blood boil.