To wonder if a lot of people are still against drag ?

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Shows like Drag Race have become incredibly popular. I have tickets to see the live show in May, and I think drag culture is amazing. It shows how far we have come that such a show is so popular on TV, and I think it should be celebrated.
I asked some friends if they wanted to come to the show with me and they very firmly and quickly told me that they were not fans of that sort of stuff.
When I was a teenager, I used to think Drag Queens were just some middle-aged men on Canal street with a blonde wig and high heels, and I was quite intimidated and scared of them in a way. I wonder if some people still feel that way, and don't judge them for it, just curious.

i'd be giving you a massive body swerve after the first comment like that (my friends actually like each other)

We like each other too. It's meant affectionately, not as an insult. I find your way of thinking about it weird.

hate the way that they think women walk round in high heels, fishnets, short leather skirts and lipstick. I've never once dressed like that, nor does any other woman I've ever met.

Not even on a night out?

I don't think you like your friends either.

It's not used as an insult. I've been called similar with laughs from a friend when telling them of something sexual I've done, it's not malicious, it's said with pride like they are proud of your "sluttiness" it's not a negative. I'm so glad I don't have friends like you.

I'm glad I don't have friends like you, too.

Just because you can't conceive of women calling each other sluts in a proud/affectionate way doesn't mean it doesn't happen, and it doesn't mean we don't like each other. You really do sound like my gran.

I watched some of Ru-Paul UK and it was just awful. The queens couldn't act, dance, sing, or do anything. I kinda of assumed this was just because the UK isn't a big drag country, so I watched some of the previous Ru-Paul products, and it was absolutely as shit.

Entertainers should surely have some sort of talent regardless of what they wear or what sort of genitals they have?

Also we really need to get over the idea that people with penises wearing make up or dresses is BRAVE. Its not brave. Just wear what the ever the fuck you want guys! Rather you than me with the heals and make up though...don't fancy a damaged back or chemicals all over my skin....

Ah to be young and cool and #notliketheothergirls again.

Zurina whilst not for me I think a woman could call her friend that and genuinely mean it with affection (whether it will always be taken as that I'm not convinced).

When it's used in drag to refer to an adult human female I don't believe it's meant with affection.

I don't claim to be "not like other girls" you weirdo. Those are the women who say they let men call them those names to get men's affections. I hate men, they'll get slapped for calling me that.

And calling a vagina a pussy is pretty common, that's what most teens of both sexes called it when I was at school. I don't remember anyone talking about "sucking a penis" or "eating a vagina", it sounds so prim.

Just because you can't conceive of women calling each other sluts in a proud/affectionate way

But slut is a word with a very specific, negative meaning. It's designed as a slur and to be pejorative and demeaning and portray women badly.

Being sex positive and embracing your sexuality is a positive thing. having lots of fun sex is good, all power to you. Can you really not come up with a pleasanter phrasing to show pride or affection for people you like in that scenario?

I hate men, they'll get slapped for calling me that.

So do as I say, not as I do?

You can see why they're confused. You go round proudly and affectionately calling yourself/friends sluts and whores, but say you'll slap a man if he does the same? What if he also meant it proudly and affectionately?

Your're your own worst enemy.

We live in a deeply misogynist society were rape convictions are at their lowest in ten years. Girls and women don't bother to report rape or sexual assault because of 'slut shaming' attitudes. Men rape because they see women and girls as 'lesser than' and dehumanising attitudes like yours towards women, feed into that culture.

Drag is part of that misogyny. It reduces women to their genitals which is dehumanising. Smelly fishy women. Cunts, pussy, fish, minge, box, sluts, hos, whores, bitches, skanks - not human, not like us. It's a joke. It's a caricature. They are clowns dressed up to look like women.

Zurina, if I sound like your Gran, thank you, that's such a nice thing to say.

you can see why they're confused. You go round proudly and affectionately calling yourself/friends sluts and whores, but say you'll slap a man if he does the same? What if he also meant it proudly and affectionately?

Um, what if white people mean it affectionately when they call their black friend N-word? I mean I listen to plenty of music that uses that word to mean "brother" not an insult, yet I wouldn't use it. Are you gonna say black people are their own worst enemy and should stop using that word if they don't want white people using it? How is it confusing

My gran could be a complete cunt for all you know.

But slut is a word with a very specific, negative meaning. It's designed as a slur and to be pejorative and demeaning and portray women badly.

So is the N-word.

@Zurina, I’m really confused by your posts. You say you don’t mind women using those terms, but you’d slap a man who said it, yet you started out by saying your fine with men in drag saying these things about women because women say it too.
Do you think men dressed as women are actual women? Because otherwise you seem to have contradicted yourself.

No, I see them as using the terms in the same way I do with friends. Where slut is seen as a goal, a good thing. Also, I will admit that I don't "see men" when I watch a lot of drag queens so I guess it doesn't hit the same as a man on the street calling me a name because I wouldn't give my number out. It doesn't (to me) feel like an attack

I don't find it amusing/entertaining? Doesn't offend me or anything like that, just don't get it I suppose? I remember growing up with Lily Savage on TV though so it's not like drag queens are just suddenly on TV

It's a man dressed up as a caricature of you @Zurina The joke is on you in this scenario. You're the 'fish'. As are all the other women in the audience. You're the butt of the joke. It's a fairground mirror. This is how these men see you in their thick make up and spiteful comments. What else are they basing their act on?

Also, I will admit that I don't "see men" when I watch a lot of drag queens so I guess it doesn't hit the same as a man on the street calling me a name because I wouldn't give my number out. It doesn't (to me) feel like an attack

I can kind of understand that, but that man on the street calling you a slut, could that night put on a dress, get on stage and call all women sluts, and then it’s ok? They’re men calling women derogatory names in both situations, just because one feels more personal, shouldn’t make the other ok

Your Gran could be Donald Trump for all I know, honey, but it doesn't stop me feeling all warm and snuggly inside now that you've said that you think I sound like her. Cunt is a term of affection in your sad wee world, after all... I feel all wrapped up in love.

Cunt is affection when used to friends, you aren't a friend. Do you still not get the distinction between insult and affection? I just meant you sound old is all. And if you aspire to be like a shit woman who gave 4 of her kids away then so be it.

Well then, I guess some of us just aren't as super-cool and uber-edgy as others.

Woe is us. We just have to live with that I suppose.