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To wonder if a lot of people are still against drag ?

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INXS998 · 12/02/2020 21:41

Shows like Drag Race have become incredibly popular. I have tickets to see the live show in May, and I think drag culture is amazing. It shows how far we have come that such a show is so popular on TV, and I think it should be celebrated.
I asked some friends if they wanted to come to the show with me and they very firmly and quickly told me that they were not fans of that sort of stuff.
When I was a teenager, I used to think Drag Queens were just some middle-aged men on Canal street with a blonde wig and high heels, and I was quite intimidated and scared of them in a way. I wonder if some people still feel that way, and don't judge them for it, just curious.

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12345kbm · 14/02/2020 11:56

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Zurina · 14/02/2020 11:57

Disgusting but at least you own it.

Thing is, it's not neccessarily reflective of my beliefs. It's to hurt. Most of my family are overweight, no problem, but if you are on the wrong side of me and fat then yeah I'll use that against you. Women don't like misogyny (I know I hate being called bitch or slag by a man for example) so thats what I use for them.

Zurina · 14/02/2020 11:58

who 'get on better with men?'

Nope. My closest friends are all women.

LonginesPrime · 14/02/2020 12:03

Thing is, it's not neccessarily reflective of my beliefs. It's to hurt. Most of my family are overweight, no problem, but if you are on the wrong side of me and fat then yeah I'll use that against you.

I don't know what kind of life you have and I appreciate that you've probably been hurt yourself in the past to have this kind of outlook.

But it sounds odd that a grown woman (assuming that's what you are) would go around deliberately trying to hurt people's feelings by hurling personal insults at them.

Zurina · 14/02/2020 12:05

But it sounds odd that a grown woman (assuming that's what you are) would go around deliberately trying to hurt people's feelings by hurling personal insults at them.

Not randomly. When they've upset or angered me or betrayed me, then yeah I'll use whatever I thini your weak spot is. It's not something special I save up for my "sisters", I don't much like men either.

Sagradafamiliar · 14/02/2020 12:10

You sound deep in pain so I'll leave it, Zurina. I don't know if the source of it is correlated to the pornified language you use to refer to your own private parts but if so, it's very sad.

Thymelord · 14/02/2020 12:10

Drag queens themselves are often the biggest supporters of women and our issues

What utter bollocks. Which of "our issues" do drag queens support as a whole?

Luckystar777 · 14/02/2020 12:11

EURGH, all that drag slang is vile.

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Mr Bean was class :)

Zurina · 14/02/2020 12:21

correlated to the pornified language you use to refer to your own private parts

So what do you call your 'private parts' if you were dirty talking with someone - you'd really just call it a vagina? Do you call dicks "penis" in sexual situations too? Because those words are turn offs.

Pumperthepumper · 14/02/2020 12:30

I’d love to understand how people thing drag is a ‘celebration of women’, I can’t see it at all.

AngelsSins · 14/02/2020 12:34

Drag queens themselves are often the biggest supporters of women and our issues

What the fuck?!!!! Women are the biggest supporters of women and our issues for god sake. What the hell have drag acts done?

cavabiensepasser · 14/02/2020 12:40

Dolled up dudes are the biggest supporters of women's issues... I've heard it all now. Grin

Do you find porn and prostitution EMPOWERINGGG as well, perchance?

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 14/02/2020 12:44

Do women over the age of 21 really say "meeting my bitches later!" GrinGod my girlfriends are so boring.

Added to my list of things I'm looking forward to hearing about - how drag genuinely celebrates being a woman, you know in a way only a man can - is

How drag has supported women's issues. It's good however to see some are supporting the nations libraries by cuddling and wrestling with children they don't know (oddly, when I work in schools with full DBS checks I don't think I could do that. Wonder why).

Zurina · 14/02/2020 12:51

Do women over the age of 21 really say "meeting my bitches later!" grinGod my girlfriends are so boring.

That was just an example of the difference between using misogynystic language as reclaiming something vs derogatory insult. In the same way you might say "ohh you slut!" to a friend who has done some dirty sexual acts but it's meant positively/teasing joke vs calling someone you don't like a slut wherd it's used to insult.

RedSheep73 · 14/02/2020 12:55

You can not like something without being "against" it. I don't like drag either, but that doesn't make me a raging homophobe. Seeing people all tarted up and strutting about doesn't interest me much whatever their gender, I don't want to stop them doing it if they like it, but I wouldn't spend my time and money watching.

Gertrudesgarden · 14/02/2020 13:00

At the risk of sounding like an old granny here, where the hell has respect gone? How is calling a friend a "slut" acceptable? Irrespective of the circumstances in your example, how can we say it's unacceptable for strangers to call you a slut (man not getting what he wants), when your own friends use it against you, and you use it against them? Is that genuinely a "normal" interaction for this current generation? Seriously?

12345kbm · 14/02/2020 13:01

@Zurina

I've never called a woman a 'slut' as it's a derogatory term for a woman. Society has traditionally divided women into virgins and whores. A woman is 'good' if she's not sexual and she's animalistic and a 'whore' if she enjoys sex. A 'slut' is another way of controlling women and putting her in her place.

This is pushed to an extreme in some cultures where a girl's clitoris (and other parts of her genitalia) is ripped out. Her vagina may be sewn up and in some cultures, it's part of the wedding night ritual for the husband to pierce that with his penis. It shows she's a virgin. If she doesn't have FGM, she won't be able to get married and is considered 'slutty' and 'dirty'.

We don't call women 'sluts' or 'slags' or 'bikes' or any other derogatory term. It's deeply misogynist. It's not funny or ironic or subversive. It's name calling with the intention of shaming a woman for her sexuality. There is not enough progression in society for that to be used.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 14/02/2020 13:05

but many simply do it as they enjoy and feel comfortable dressing and acting as a woman. Some of them enjoy being able to pass for a real women.

There are all kinds of drag, that of Leigh Bowery for example was not at all about looking like a woman.

I agree, some of the outfits and make up are beautiful and the aim is to look 'realistic' not as a parody.

Forgive me if I am missing something, but I can't see any drag queens here who look like a woman on her way to work; or woman who is tired from being awake all night with a sick child; or a woman working out; or a woman doing the housework....In fact they don't even represent any woman I have ever seen dolled up to the nines for a night out.

Zurina · 14/02/2020 13:06

We don't call women 'sluts' or 'slags' or 'bikes' or any other derogatory term.

Who is "we"? You don't speak for all women.

And I'm aware of everything you said in your post.

Calling your friend a "slut" is not seen as an insult if it's the correct context. The same way poc can call their friends the N word and they don't mean "slave".

Lordfrontpaw · 14/02/2020 13:08

Woman calls woman slag - well, charming but ok I guess
Man calls women slag - never ok (even if he is in a woman costume)

12345kbm · 14/02/2020 13:13

@Zurina I may not speak for all women but you speak for no one but yourself. You've admitted to calling so called friends 'sluts'. You admit to calling women whores, hos and other derogatory names. You've admitted to not liking women very much.

You're part of the problem.

Gertrudesgarden · 14/02/2020 13:15

You genuinely don't mind your friends calling you a slut? There's not a teeny tiny part of your self confidence dying each time it happens? Honestly? I have to hand it to you if not, because you are one tough cookie, and your friends must be the same. I'd be giving you a massive body swerve after the first comment like that (my friends actually like each other), but I now see why drag queens and their snark appeals to you.

Zurina · 14/02/2020 13:16

I may not speak for all women but you speak for no one but yourself

Yes, because I'm the only woman to ever call their vaginas a cunt or a pussy, or call other women nasty names. sarcasm

I don't like men or women much.

Gertrudesgarden · 14/02/2020 13:17

I don't think you like your friends either.

Toria70 · 14/02/2020 13:18

I hate the way that they think women walk round in high heels, fishnets, short leather skirts and lipstick. I've never once dressed like that, nor does any other woman I've ever met.

Just who exactly DO they base their acts on? Like a PP said, not real ones. And that's what I don't like. I find it to be spiteful almost, they're taking the piss.