To wonder if a lot of people are still against drag ?

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Shows like Drag Race have become incredibly popular. I have tickets to see the live show in May, and I think drag culture is amazing. It shows how far we have come that such a show is so popular on TV, and I think it should be celebrated.
I asked some friends if they wanted to come to the show with me and they very firmly and quickly told me that they were not fans of that sort of stuff.
When I was a teenager, I used to think Drag Queens were just some middle-aged men on Canal street with a blonde wig and high heels, and I was quite intimidated and scared of them in a way. I wonder if some people still feel that way, and don't judge them for it, just curious.

OP “ but many simply do it as they enjoy and feel comfortable dressing and acting as a woman”

Whatever that means.

You’d think a photo for a storytime session would maybe have a book in it. odd that they’ve chosen that photo. It doesn’t symbolise storytime, or even drag queens at all.

Eh. There are many reasons not to like drag, and both ideological disapproval and lack of interest in the show part are probably as common as a visceral squick.

I appreciate the artistry of some drag performers, my DD has a few friends of various sexual orientations and genders who do drag, and an occasional picture can be mega impressive.

But a whole show seems like a really boring way to spend time? I don't like lounge singing either, or quite a few other forms of entertainment.

Of course YANBU but you might be seeing more in all that than there is.

I don't know. I loved clubbing in the 90s and always felt drag queens seemed fun, flamboyant and pretty harmless. But now, it feels a bit like woman-face. I think that trans-activism, which has become quite aggressive online, has coloured my view.

When taken to it's basic elements its either- doing make up and dresses and heels really well. Well gosh what a skill set.
Or doing them quite badly as a joke. A joke on women.

None of them look like women OP. They look like a derogatory caricature of women. I'm surprised you can't see it tbh.

If any of them actually passed as women they wouldn’t be doing drag.

That's a matter of opinion, really.
@AutumnRose1 it means what it means.
There are some good arguments against it, definitely. But we also live in an age where people are offended by absolutely every little thing and love a reason to be offended.
Shows like Little Britain which consisted of men dressing as women would probably never be aired now.

To me, drag is nasty about women, about sex, and about homosexuality, all at the same time. Also it’s not my kind of humour, coarse.

My teenage daughter has an entirely opposite opinion.

That photo ... I missed a trick when I did our sessions! I should have convinced DH to come along wearing little girls ankle socks, a tutu and cutesy patent buckle shoes. Then he could have held hands and rolled around with all the children.

It wouldn't have been at all weird.

OP “ it means what it means.”

Thanks.

Add to that women in Northern Ireland have literally only in the last couple of months gained the right to abortion services.

There is actually a drag artist who performed a mock abortion:

spectator.us/even-drag-queens-mock-abortion/

I'm reposting below a question I posted earlier, as yet unanswered, as people on this thread have consistently asserted that drag "celebrates" women without being able to articulate how. Hoping someone will answer this time!

"What is it, specifically, that they “respect and admire” about women? Someone earlier said that drag queens “celebrate all the good things about being a woman”. But what are those things? And how do they “celebrate” them? I’m finding it hard to grasp what people find so positive about drag queens because none of the assertions about how celebratory of women drag is seem to be grounded in any specifics."

But we also live in an age where people are offended by absolutely every little thing and love a reason to be offended.

Examples?

wonderstuff “ loved clubbing in the 90s and always felt drag queens seemed fun, flamboyant and pretty harmless. But now, it feels a bit like woman-face. I think that trans-activism, which has become quite aggressive online, has coloured my view.”

I can relate to this.

I think it's all a bit twee now, it's still a bit of s laugh in a gay club but it's all so tedious and samey

I fecking loathe drag and find it misogynistic with some quite frankly very hateful stereotypical depictions of women, not to mention demeaning stage names. I see literally no merit or any talent in their so-called performances.

@ActualHornist I gave names of bio queens, please look the, up. But I’ll explain again. A female born drag queen, there’s are several, just as there are male born drag kings.

I agree it's become more mainstream. I think I admire those who do it, they are being their true self and living the life they want to live

Pretending to be something you're not isn't and can never be a person "being their true self"

I started to find drag problematic a while ago but really didn't want to dislike it.

I tried to open conversations with people who liked it, wanting them to convince me of why it was ok but everything just made it worse.

It's sexist by its nature. Whether you think it's misogynistic or not is up for debate, but I have now seen so much misogyny associated with drag that now I just can't enjoy it.

I was at Manchester Pride a couple of years ago when Tony Cooper who runs a drag bar was on stage saying that lesbians who maintain their right to same sex attraction should be 'dragged off' the parade 'by their saggy tits'.

He wasn't in drag but there were loads of drag acts on that stage and I think the air of general misogyny in that community enabled him to think that was an acceptable thing to say.

And he was right. It was accepted by most people and his hatred met by cheers.

So no, I don't like drag.

Women become drag Kings and drag queens

Men become drag Queens and Kings. I fail to see the sexism.

Also it is those people becoming their true selves. Most will tell you it's escapism for them.

I dislike drag. Would much prefer it if lots of men just wore dresses / make up or whatever. Non conforming. without stereotypes about women (at best).

There are far fewer “drag kings”.

I went to a famous drag thing in Melbourne and I do remember enjoying at the time, about 20 years ago. I think though now, I wouldn't go and I wouldn't support it as I find the caricature of women really offensive and so far removed from what women really are.

Not being mean but if you're transgender you've already made the change to a woman you can't 'drag' yourself up because you've already made the switch
What do you mean by switch? A man cannot become a woman - there is no such thing as switching. Sex is immutable.
They can have surgery to imitate a woman's body. But they cannot switch.

Oh, and I find drag disgusting. Womanface and misogyny at its finest.

Moo “I was at Manchester Pride a couple of years ago when Tony Cooper who runs a drag bar was on stage saying that lesbians who maintain their right to same sex attraction should be 'dragged off' the parade 'by their saggy tits'. “

That’s terrifying.