To wonder if a lot of people are still against drag ?

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Shows like Drag Race have become incredibly popular. I have tickets to see the live show in May, and I think drag culture is amazing. It shows how far we have come that such a show is so popular on TV, and I think it should be celebrated.
I asked some friends if they wanted to come to the show with me and they very firmly and quickly told me that they were not fans of that sort of stuff.
When I was a teenager, I used to think Drag Queens were just some middle-aged men on Canal street with a blonde wig and high heels, and I was quite intimidated and scared of them in a way. I wonder if some people still feel that way, and don't judge them for it, just curious.

I don’t “get” drag. I don’t know what the entertaining aspect of it is supposed to be. Singing? Cool- you can showcase your singing talent without putting on woman face. Dancing? Same- do it without woman face. Sing and dance to your heart’s content - why the need to don an offensive parody of woman costume? It’s comes from a nasty place.

Funny how those who reject drag, on this thread at least, come across as articulate and erudite, whereas the fans thereof seem to me a bit... hunnish.

Fuck drag, it's a load of misogynistic bollocks.

Men were still entitled to rape their wives up until the 1990s! We still have FGM, turn a blind eye to the abuse of young girls (because police think being called racist would be worse), Magdalene laundries we’re running well into the 20th century, unmarried women were only allowed access to the pill as recently as the 60s, we’ve only very recently gained rights to certain employment.

Add to that women in Northern Ireland have literally only in the last couple of months gained the right to abortion services.

I don’t “get” drag. I don’t know what the entertaining aspect of it is supposed to be. Singing? Cool- you can showcase your singing talent without putting on woman face. Dancing? Same- do it without woman face. Sing and dance to your heart’s content - why the need to don an offensive parody of woman costume? It’s comes from a nasty place

Agree. I’ve always assumed the drag aspect is to make up for the lack of actual singing talent tbh. I’ve never heard a drag queen sing and thought “wow what a stunning voice”. Usually they sound like what they are- middle aged, overweight men with croaky, 40 cigs a day voices trying to sing Britney songs. Badly.

@Funny how those who reject drag, on this thread at least, come across as articulate and erudite, whereas the fans thereof seem to me a bit... hunnish.

I'm not in the slightest bit 'hunnish' hun.

I’m not against it as such, it just leaves me cold and I don’t get it. It holds zero appeal for me.

I hate what it stands for and how it makes fun of women. I would never support it by watching on TV and nor will I allow my daughter to watch it either.

Why centre their success on ‘passing’ as a woman if it is not about woman

Many don't though

In other words: Why do fans of drag sound so dumb? Because that's what you mean Betty.

Or maybe that was Funny and betty was quoting, sorry

Is it? Where? I'm gay, female, and I can't think of any of my many, many LGBTQ+ friends who find it 'uncomfortable'.

I'm a gay woman and I find drag uncomfortable and misogynistic.

I also have lots of lesbian friends who would describe themselves as 'non-scene' and don't tend to enjoy gay clubs and the LGBT scene.

Pretty sure if the LGBTQ+ community at large has issues with drag they would have voted with their feet years ago

The ones who have issues with it did vote with their feet - that's why you don't know them if you're moving in circles that celebrate drag.

That's not a criticism - it's just that logically, you're only going to find people who enjoy the LGBT 'scene' in venues that host drag acts. The lesbians who don't enjoy that stuff are frequenting National Trust properties and having dinner parties instead.

I think I admire those who do it, they are being their true self and living the life they want to live.

Sorry but I'm not going to celebrate some bloke who's "true self" is taking the piss out of women.

Wouldnt it be lovely if some blokes found their "true selves" doing community service or looking after others? Instead of fetishising being a woman and giggling in public about it?

"True selves" is such a lot of fucking bollocks.

I’ll come with you op. I bloody love drag

I am against Drag for exactly the same reasons why I was against the Black and White Minstrel Show back in the day

Those library sessions pictured upthread .... i used to run a story time session in our local library when DD was little. Can you imagine if I'd rocked up and started cuddling all of the kids? I cannot think of a situation or place where most sensible parents would be comfortable allowing their children to roll about on the floor with an adult they barely know. An adult for all they know does drag as part of a fetish.

Still waiting to be educated as to how drag celebrates women

I never found drag funny or entertaining, even in Pantomime, it just doesn't tickle me.

But since reading up on the fish comments and really thinking about drag, well now I actively don't like it. Just be a fabulous male doing cabaret, why does it need a woman costume to be art?

fuckitywhy so, so true.

"allowing their children to roll about on the floor with an adult they barely know"

yes. If it was just telling stories, I'd be a bit less confused.

I liked the old school drag in gay clubs that was witty and edgy and real outsider humour. I can't bear it now that it's gone mainstream. It's no longer outsider humour so now, to me, it simply comes across as offensive misogyny. And it shouldn't be anywhere near children's story time in libraries.

Wouldnt it be lovely if some blokes found their "true selves" doing community service or looking after others?

Part of that is not bragging about it: a quaint virtue these days.

Drag- the shock of the unknown, female that is. The things men weren't able to wear. The ways they aren't supposed to look.
There are so many for men-make up, hair, shoes, underwear, clothing.
Women can and have been wearing the trousers for a long time. They can have short hair and wear no make up.
So drag came about because men wearing women's stuff was so different, so shocking, so funny.

Agree with PPs that as gender stereotypes get challenged there should be less need for this and it won't be seen as funny or outrageous.

It's amazing how many people think that men choose to do drag because they in their mind want to take the piss out of women. You cannot tar them all with the same brush.
Drag means different things for different people, there will be that minority who do want to mock women, but many simply do it as they enjoy and feel comfortable dressing and acting as a woman. Some of them enjoy being able to pass for a real women.
There are all kinds of drag, that of Leigh Bowery for example was not at all about looking like a woman.
Women can also do drag, though this is less common.
Drag is often exaggerated, over-the-top make up and such, but that doesn't mean it's humiliating women or saying that all women do this.
Laughing at how those in favour of drag including myself have been referred to as hunnish, was that the best word you could come up with 😀

This photo is the header photo for the 'Gallery' section of the Drag Queen Story Time website. It's an.... interesting choice of photo to say the least.

but many simply do it as they enjoy and feel comfortable dressing and acting as a woman.

Where are all these women who look and act like drag queens? That sentence alone has me

They're not acting like women, they're acting like a caricature of women. And caricatures are meant to be insulting.