To think Labour are not a party for women/girls

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Long-Bailey, Rayner and Nandy have all made public their support of a statement that demands the expulsion from the party of anyone who doesn’t agree with basically replacing current sex based rights/laws/social norms with gender/identity based rights - so if you think women are female, that female sports and prisons etc should be for females etc -then you are a transphobic bigot and should be thrown out of the party.

Madness
It's such basic knowledge that a man cannot become a woman 🤦🏻‍♀️
and that women & girls need single sex spaces for certain things

I'm a floating centrist, but there's noone I could vote for atm
Labour - and Ldem, Green, SNP too - have all been taken over by the TRA woman-haters

As a mixed race woman, I could no more vote for TRAs than I could for racists

I reckon there are tons of older women in Parliament who are having to keep their mouths shut on this.

“For the men, not for you”.

Brilliant.

That sums it up perfectly, doesn't it? All those handmaidens. It makes me want to cry.

Labour, for the few...not the many.

“For the men, not for you”.

Ha, yes!

Can you not realise that this is not actually Labour Party policy, it’s the views of certain of its members?

It's the views of three out of the four leadership candidates. I reckon Starmer would have signed too, except he's a highly experienced lawyer who can recognise defamation when he sees it.

What makes this extremist pamphlet, and its support from the most high profile people in the party, even more shocking is that we still have not heard back from the 2018 GRA consultation. Over 100,000 people made their views known. We have been waiting for well over a year now and there hasn't even been a preliminary report.

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act-2004

So how fucking dare these authoritarian arseholes plough on regardless? As if there is #NoDebate! As if anybody not getting with the TWAW slogans is a hate filled bigot who should be expelled from the party!

How dare they call WPUK and LGBAlliance 'hate groups'! I hope they get sued. I would dig for that cause.

And this is so devastating in terms of wider politics. Labour have learnt nothing. We're not going to have an effective opposition for a long time. Given everything else that's going on this is quite frightening.

Did anyone hear Lisa Nandy on the Today programme this morning? She actually said that she starts from the position that transwomen are women and so it's OK to call anyone who doesn't start from that position, a hate group.

Looks like it's a long, long period of Tory government ahead.

Labour are continuing the reason they haven't been elected for years and won't next time.

Vast swarthes of the country are turning against you but you continue with this woke bullshit, there is a saying about learning from your mistakes.

The problem that labour don't get is most voters aren't members of any party, you run your policy's by the membership with no thought to how non m knees are going to vote for you in a election?

You can keep doing same thing you won't win.

I'm really starting to believe that Labour don't want to ever win an election.

If that's the case, they are doing a great job of it.

I won't vote for Labour again ever

What makes people think starmer thinks any differently?

Sir Keir Starmer was not present at the hustings, having cancelled all campaigning over the weekend after his mother-in-law had a serious accident. She remains critically ill in hospital.

They've made it abundantly and aggressively clear that women are very much not in their sights.

It was so painfully obvious from the morning after the election result that they were never going to learn from the mistakes which led to that catastrophic defeat. The sheer disbelief, the blaming of thick northerners and of women who spoiled their ballot papers rather than vote for self-ID - it was all the electorate's fault. We weren't good or pure enough for their policies. So they've decided to double down, and work even harder in telling us all that we are bigots, that our views are problematic, and that we are not the kind of voter they want. It doesn't matter how many votes you get, what matters is how ideologically pure those votes are.

They're a party for non-transphobic women and girls.

Yes, ScreamingBeans. She also said that there shouldn't be any spaces women and girls can be free from male people, with or without a penis, if the male people say 'I identify as a woman.'

And she said WPUK are a hate group and that they cause harm.

Here is their youtube channel, for anyone wondering about the 'hate':

www.youtube.com/channel/UCzFqsUqDzyXEQMJVy42NwUw

They upload videos of all their speakers and the collection they have built up over the past two years is an excellent starting point for anyone wondering what the fuck is going on.

Maybe we should be thanking the translabourpledge people for giving all this publicity to WPUK and LGBAlliance. WPUK said they got 400 new followers overnight when the pledge was published.

I think they should have a show of hands (as loved by the labour party) of who supports this policy and everyone who doesn't or can't should be expelled from the party, the two or three people who are left can take the party forward (backward)

@marfisa this issue with this pledge is it effectively shuts down legitimate concerns and debate.

Fawcett Society put this far better than I could hope to:
“ Trans people are targeted with violence, abuse and threats and so are women who speak out about the need to defend women-only spaces and sex-based rights. Women’s fear of male violence is real and justified.”

“For reasons of women’s privacy, dignity and safety the need for single-sex spaces remains. But trans people’s human rights must also be recognised and their needs must also be met. The only way forward is for both sides of this issue to be heard with mutual respect.”

You can’t just shut one sides concerns down with cries of transphobia. The only way to move forward is to bring everyone into the discussion.

Trans rights are important and no one should experience discrimination or hate crimes.

Women’s rights are equally important and shouldn’t be moved aside for this.

Trying to silence one side achieves nothing.

You never hear Transmen are men do you?

Funny that.

It's almost like biological sex matters.

They're a party for non-transphobic women and girls

Please stop trivialising the term 'transphobia' by muddling it up with 'people who are perfectly pleasant to transpeople in their lives but disagree with them'.

@marfisa, it's not transphobic to want safe places such as changing rooms and toilets for those of the female sex and to want all-female panels, or competitions for women, to be restricted to the female sex.

If you disagree, what do you think of Philip Bunce, Director of Credit Suisse, who was named one of the top 100 women in business, when he wears a dress occasionally for work? Do you realise how difficult it is for women to succeed in business? Do you understand why they have the Top 100 Women in Business awards?

Do you agree with an all-female panel to recruit MPs that consisted solely of transwomen? That is what the Labour Party has said is acceptable.

At least the torrid have kicked GRA reform into the long grass
The Guardian seems to think that there will be an announcement in the next month - not sure it is in the long grass just yet.www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/12/labour-leadership-row-over-support-for-trans-rights-charter

My vet loves both cats and dogs, but still has separate waiting rooms for them, for the comfort of both.

She is neither cat-phobic nor dog-phobic by recognising that a cat is not a dog (even if mine thinks it is).

If you disagree, what do you think of Philip Bunce, Director of Credit Suisse, who was named one of the top 100 women in business, when he wears a dress occasionally for work?

Did he go to an all male school then? Even if he didn't, wearing a dress doesn't make you a woman, any more than women wearing trousers makes us men.