To think Labour are not a party for women/girls

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Long-Bailey, Rayner and Nandy have all made public their support of a statement that demands the expulsion from the party of anyone who doesn’t agree with basically replacing current sex based rights/laws/social norms with gender/identity based rights - so if you think women are female, that female sports and prisons etc should be for females etc -then you are a transphobic bigot and should be thrown out of the party.

This was discussed on politics live today. Well worth watching.

Look at the difference between the ranty, aggressive, bullying Labour MP and cool and collected Prof Selina Todd.

Politics Live, 12/02/2020: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000f94q via @bbciplayer

I'm a lifelong Labour supporter

Respectfully, how can people say this when one of the most fundamental issues is so disgustingly offensive?

What makes up for the fact they think you should piss off if you don't accept the lie that a man is a woman (and all the rest of it)?

How bad does it have to get before you'd accept Labour are not your party any more?

Selina Todd was brilliant on politics today.

The most crushing part to me is that women like Rayner and Long-Bailey are the ones pushing the 'Trans Liberation' agenda and threatening expulsion of women's groups.

Then they still stand up and make speeches about the importance of female rights and protections. It's impossible to fathom.

BuzzShitbagBobbly I'm also a life-long Labour supporter and have no intention of being pushed out of the party over this. I'm staying to fight it.

And back in the real world everyone is just laughing at labour as they continue to make themselves unelectable. It's bonkers. I'm very sad.

What if Long-Bailey or Rayner win the leadership?
(Or Starmer, as he still might come out and pledge)

I don't think I get wanting to stay part of something that actively wants rid of me. How can you hope to change anything with anyone who says the things those two have?

(Att pic for a bit of levity too!)

@ScreamingBeans you’re absolutely right and it’s beyond creepy.

In schools trans issues is the one debate where free speech is not allowed. Children are allowed to debate (and deny) climate change and evolution. But trans ideology/theory may not be debated.

I am very curious why the media is so one dimensional on this. Very unbalanced reporting. Eg when JK Rowling tweeted the opinion that a woman shouldn’t be fired for saying biological sex exists, the headlines universally were “JK Rowling is homophobic”. V odd.

Bartlett I won't vote Tory due to their racist policies. Actually I'm in a safe seat, so who I vote for isn't really important, but the problem with not voting labour over this is that the conservatives will keep winning.
I wonder if the only reasonable thing to do is join the labour party? They can't expel everyone?

Yes, this is like a ‘Gillian Duffy‘ moment all over again.

It’s ten years since bigotgate, and Gordon Brown losing the election. Labour continue to repeat the same mistakes. Not only repeat them, but double down on them. Every month more and more people are denounced, called bigots, and told by the party’s own MPs and activists not to vote for Labour because their vote is not sufficiently pure. By the time we get to the next general election, the Tories won’t even need to spend money on campaigning, so useful are the idiots in opposition.

They surely can’t be stupid enough to think that this is a opinion changing, vote winning strategy. So the only other reason for doing so is that they’d rather be “pure” than in power. Deeply depressing. Tories must be rubbing their hands in glee.

And there goes Emily Thornberry mobile.twitter.com/EmilyThornberry/status/1227733218494906369?s=09

Appalling. How can they believe this bullshit?

Can you not realise that this is not actually Labour Party policy, it’s the views of certain of its members?

All I see from Labour at the moment is a flock of woke sheep following one another in a large circle, getting nowhere, and only looking inwards. The lack of independence of thought, or awareness of ordinary people's moderate views, on this subject is unbelievable for people supposedly near the top of the political tree.

Well that's me told!
So, the potential female leaders of the labour party feel their way of standing out is to fully support an extremely divisive issue, which is causing major headaches when mentioned, even the experts can't agree a consensus without some people throwing their toys out the window.

All the while, these 'informed so-called wannabe leaders' ignore the voice of their heartland (& many women who are affected the most); in matters that are much more important like the closing/cutting down/costing up of key services - like the libraries, bus routes, care services for those with disabilities & the elderly, the fact that people are being forced by the government and big business to use online services for everything, when a phone call to a real person (giving them a job) would be more effective and informative.

I just want a real-life experienced all-rounder who is a vocal, effective leader (in-waiting)/proper oppostion, who uses facts to fight our corner, works well with others, and doesn't just jump on latest bandwagons to impress 'focus groups', whilst ignoring the very population they are meant to be representing.

Corbyn didn't win, he lost, and didn't convince enough people he had their best interests at heart, or that any of his goals were truly achievable within a 5 yr period. We don't want empty promises & dreams of utopia, that's never going to happen.

Labour needs to learn from it's own history and from the nation's social history we need real leaders with foresight & ability, to appeal to more people than their fan club - if they are going to be a viable opposition. This country cannot afford to become a one-party country - the rot has already set in.
I can only watch and wait to hear what is going to come next. I am no longer holding out much hope with politics anymore. Anyway, I suppose the eggs need to break to make an decent omelette!

Well at least Lisa Nandy is not messing about and jyst called Woman’s Pace UK and LGBAllance hate groups on Radio4 Today 7.20ish www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_fourfm

I feel very hurt and upset

I'll never vote for them again

So much for "for the many not the few"

Even the presenter Justin Webb sounded incredulous, almost horrified

catsandchardonnay no, I can't see that this isn't Labour Policy after the Leaders debate last night. Not at all. They seem to be all signed up to the ideology that states women aren't a separate sex class to men.

Can you not realise that this is not actually Labour Party policy, it’s the views of certain of its members?

Eh? These are not just members. These are people that are running for the leadership. And who want it to be policy.

I'm neither a Labour member nor a Labour voter, but I heard the R4 thing this morning with Lisa Nandy, and was horrified. What she said was enough to lose the party even more supporters, and I wonder how they can survive with woke twats like this mouthing off for them.

This is the sort of thing I don't get with Lisa Nandy, who I always thought quite well of. She herself voted Remain, but in a Leave constituency knew that she had to listen to her constituents. How many of her constituents are going to go along with the trans stuff? Not many, I would have thought.

I know there are intersex people for whom life can be difficult, but you don't make life better for them by making it difficult for half the population.

I wonder how they can survive with woke twats like this mouthing off for them.

I don’t think they can survive. The thing with woke politics is that what you are expected to accept as “progressive” only becomes more and more extreme as time goes on. God only knows what authoritarian extremism they will be spouting a year from now. How many more sections of the public will be cast as “bigots” and told “we don’t want your vote” by time the next election comes around?

So much for "for the many not the few"

Oh, I think you maybe misheard?

Their slogan is “For the men, not for you”.