Acquitted but still impeached ... Trump thread 99

[TheClaws]

I’ll tell you a funny story. I’m a member of a very right-wing US politics online discussion group for kicks. The moderator of the group controls - and gets involved in - every discussion. (I should say the membership of this group is over 50K and the number of posts a day is generally 30 or so.) She’s also a typical Trumpian in that she reels off the standard “lamestream mass media” etc lines” and she mutes anyone who disagrees with her.

Anyway, I took her on eventually. She said that the Democratic candidates wanted to get rid of the Constitution. To this, I replied Trump flouts the Constitution on a regular basis. “What? Provide examples!” she replies. “Emoluments clause,” I replied. “That’s just one.”

GUYS. SHE HAD NOT HEARD OF THE EMOLUMENTS CLAUSE.

She then just spat something about she doesn’t read mass media lies and that’s why she didn’t know and muted me.

AIBU?

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3776378-Happy-Impeachment-Next-step-is-removal-Trump-thread-98

There are all sorts of things which would skew the figures one way or the other, and I thoroughly agree that the President ought not to argue the toss with the WHO, but I do wish people would be a bit less "we're all gonna DIE!!!!" about it nevertheless.

Not wanting it to be serious is obvious from Trump's point of view, and I suppose he thinks if he says it isn't happening often enough it will become the fact that it isn't.

It's a small step until they stop testing and bury the news that people in the US are getting it. (I almost mean bury literally)

(also, 3% is hardly, we are all going to die)

Trump is a fool. Anyone with half a brain knows he will downplay it till the cows come home in case it affects the markets.

I do think it's a bit worrying that the number of tests performed per million of population is so low in US. We are 199 tests performed per million population. S. Korea is 2,138 per million. A lot of Europe is similar figure to us.
US is 1 test per million.
As of 1st March, we'd tested 13,525 people... US had tested 472.

Now... given that I am not worried about the virus, I just wonder how difficult it will be to stamp out in US if people aren't being tested and going off to work whether they have it or not.... as good ole Trump suggests. The man is an ignoramus.

Just flashed on my laptop: Warren ending her campaign.

www.cnn.com/2020/03/05/politics/elizabeth-warren-drops-out/index.html

Note: this is per 'a source close to the campaign'.

Elizabeth Warren has now also suspended her presidential campaign. Maybe next time for a Madame President? As long as it's not Princess Complicit.

I replied Trump flouts the Constitution on a regular basis. “What? Provide examples!” she replies. “Emoluments clause,” I replied. “That’s just one

But he hasn’t violated the emoluments clause because all his assets and businesses were put in a trust and run by entities other than himself just like every other president

(I dislike Trump but dislike even more fabricated allegations)

When this whole impeachment started I said it was a waste of time and money for the Americans in their Congress to do. And it was. Acquitted as I predicted. Because it has nothing to do with justice and everything with politics and votes.

As Nancy Pelosi tried patiently to explain to her Young Turks, ^'You do know that if he's impeached, he's still President?'

They didn't.

But he hasn’t violated the emoluments clause because all his assets and businesses were put in a trust and run by entities other than himself just like every other president

Entities that are his sons.

And he encourages foreign dignitaries to stay at his hotels. And he stays there himself, forcing the SS to pay to stay there too. Only a blind person can't see.

Yes, his sons which is allowed by the Emoulments clause.....ergo he is not violating it.

I'm sad for Warren.

Not sure which will be better to go against Trump.
Biden will probably be able to attract voters in red states.
Sanders would make debates more interesting.
It may hinge on the choice of VP, particularly as they are getting a bit old.

I'm interested in what happens if he loses the election.

I can see a 25th Amendment being waved around at very least to get him to behave.

I also note that the Chilean Supreme Court struck down Pinochet's self-awared immunity from prosecution forever.

Bernie Sanders was born on 8th September, 1941, so at the time of the election he will be 79; Joe Biden was 20th November 1942 so he'll be 78. Trump was the oldest President ever at 70 years, 220 days on Inauguration Day.

Trump (born 14th June, 1946) will definitely make a big point of being younger; he called Hillary Clinton too old for office when she is in fact younger than him, and somehow managed to make it stick.

This was from yesterday (or very early this morning?)

"Elizabeth Warren’s surrogates and allies are reportedly meeting with members of Sanders’ team to discuss consolidating progressive support. After a weak performance on Super Tuesday, her chances of securing the nomination have dwindled."

www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/mar/03/super-tuesday-2020-live-news-bernie-sanders-joe-biden-california-texas-primaries-latest-updates

Also, blaming Obama:

18h ago
22:57
Donald Trump’s response to criticisms of his coronavirus response: Thanks, Obama.
The president blamed a federal agency decision during Barack Obama’s administration, which Trump said made it harder to quickly roll out testing for the virus.

“The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing, and we undid that decision a few days ago so that the testing can take place in a much more accurate and rapid fashion,” he told reporters during a White House meeting with airline executives, whom he had called to discuss the economic effects of the outbreak.

“That was a decision we disagreed with,” he said. I don’t think we would have made it, but for some reason, it was made.”

It’s unclear what decision, exactly, Trump is referring to.

The Trump administration has been criticized for dismantling an Obama effort to respond to global health emergencies more quickly. The president has also come under fire for not rolling out widespread testing for coronavirus more quickly, and spreading false information about the disease.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/05/read-elizabeth-warren-full-statement-quitting-2020-race

Don't feel too sorry for her Lweji. She and Michael willl have heard who is joining the run..............

cozie what do you mean?who is joining the run?

From The Guardian:

The Department of Justice has been ordered to turn over an unredacted copy of the Mueller report by March 30, so a judge can assess what can be further released publicly.

The ruling comes after a BuzzFeed News sued to un-redact the report, which details special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential elections.
In his opinion explaining the ruling, federal judge Reggie Walton wrote that Attorney General William Barr’s public comments in April 2019 about the report didn’t fit with the actual findings, and were misleading.

“The inconsistencies between Attorney General Barr’s statements made at a time when the public did not have access to the redacted version of the Mueller Report to assess the veracity of his statements, and portions of the redacted version of the Mueller Report that conflict with those statements cause the Court to seriously question whether Attorney General Barr made a calculated attempt to influence public discourse about the Mueller Report in favor of President Trump despite certain findings in the redacted version of the Mueller Report to the contrary,” Walton said.

Walton, who was appointed by George W Bush, also explicitly criticized Barr. “These circumstances generally, and Attorney General Barr’s lack of candor specifically, call into question Attorney General Barr’s credibility,” he wrote.

Judge Leopold's opinion:
www.documentcloud.org/documents/6796329-LEOPOLD-FOIA-Mueller-report-unredact-opinion.html

Sorry - that should be Judge Walton's opinion

Interesting NorthWest.

www.newsweek.com/republicans-susan-collins-martha-mcsally-are-serious-danger-losing-their-senate-seats-1490730?utm_source=Public&utm_medium=Feed&utm_campaign=Distribution

More on Mueller.

www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2020/03/05/federal-judge-questions-william-barrs-credibility-in-rollout-of-mueller-report/?cmp=share_twitter