AIBU to ask if you are worried about the new coronavirus? - continued

[IvyBush123]

Here is the old thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3813759-AIBU-to-ask-you-if-you-are-worried-about-the-new-Coronavirus?pg=40

Here is a twitter video from Wuhan I want to share because it so heartbreaking. People happily celebrating shortly before it became known that there was a virus outbreak. There already were some rumors but people didn’t believe them:
twitter.com/WLaowai8/status/1225637845508837377

@Yourtunbridgewells: The info you are sharing (472000 deaths in the UK) is very scary. Is this a worst case scenario.

@justdeckingthehalls: Epidemiologist Eric Feigl-Ding writes that it is airborne on twitter: twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1226236552059260928
N95 masks help against airborne transmission don’t they?

www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/north-korea-official-suspected-having-21488373

Korean suspected of having Coronavirus was shot dead for defying quarantine rule!

First case on the African continent, just confirmed in Egypt by Sky News Africa

Well I'm just going to eat, drink and enjoy my last few days/weeks/months now. Que Sera Sera.

Also just put in an order for loads of massive bottles of hand gel.

From STV twitter:
A crew member on a North sea platform is to be tested for coronavirus. The worker on the Tern Alpha platform recently returned from Thailand. The individual is being kept in isolation as a precaution. They will remain separated until test results are known.

The Singapore cases roughly follow China though which has an 18% critical rate so at the moment it is broadly following that

The unknown is how many people have had it without realising as it is so mild that could very well bring the figures down

We just aren’t used to it anymore though if you look at the bubonic plague/smallpox/scarlet fever across the years they used to be real killers. We thought we had it under control and then this comes along which we can’t

@Quartz2208 Yes I was saying that. I think the issue is that we're no longer used to facing the risk of life threatening illnesses. Back in those days there wasn't this kind of anxiety because there wasn't the expectation of living until 80 or 90 years of age.

I was in Uganda at the height of the AIDS epidemic; there were villages where there was no one alive past teenage years.

Anyone know what the status of the 2 York patients are yet?

@Mittens030869 my dh has been researching old parish records and in one year in the 1760s one record states that 102 deaths were recorded in that year of which 83 were due to smallpox, it wasn't the only year with similar reports. It's probably only in the last 150 years or so that the danger of infectious diseases has receded.

And yet people still managed to live to really good ages. DH has done a lot of research into his family tree and most appear to have made it to late 50s/60s/70s even in the 19th century. I'm surprised that anyone made it past 5, given the nasty diseases, lack of sanitation and medical care.

Elizabeth I made it to 69 in the 17th century - obviously she had the best care that was available at the time (not very good) and survived smallpox, but I still wonder how!

If you're ever caught on public transport and have a cougher and splutterer on board, If you're wearing a scarf, just wrap it around your nose and mouth. If no scarf, pull up top/jumper over your nose/mouth. Just wash them when you get home. I know it's not a perfect barrier, but it's something.

I’m avoiding public transport at the moment until it’s clear what’s happening.

Shame for people who can’t drive themselves.

Just about to start on Channel 4: “Coronavirus: Is Britain Ready?”.

@cologne4711 There were survivors of smallpox in those days, but they usually ended up horribly scarred. Apparently Elizabeth 1 wasn't but who can tell, she would have been able to apply makeup to hide any scars.

Airline passengers who have sat within two rows of a person suspected to have caught coronavirus should be quarantined, according to guidance published by the government today for transport staff.

Absolute madness. 2 rows on a plane is nothing when you consider an infected person would use the same facilities, and move about the plane. Not to mention those who could be sat next to them for a couple of hours in the airport.

Anyone know what the status of the 2 York patients are yet?

Someone above said they were discharged but don't know if it's true. The students have been told to respect their confidentiality and presumably the media are doing the same thing.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-51503277?__twitter_impression=true
A worker on a North Sea platform is to be tested for suspected coronavirus.

The man on the Tern Alpha platform, off Shetland, recently returned from holiday in Thailand and developed symptoms.

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8004055/amp/THE-REUTERS-GRAPHIC-Under-Chinas-coronavirus-lockdown-millions-go.html?__twitter_impression=true
500MILLION people in China are on lockdown because of coronavirus with travel restrictions enforced in nearly 50 cities and four provinces to contain the killer disease

A crew member on a North sea platform is to be tested for coronavirus. The worker on the Tern Alpha platform recently returned from Thailand. The individual is being kept in isolation as a precaution. They will remain separated until test results are known.

Just got back from pub and talking to someone who said his company (large national firm) were dealing with several people who had just got back from Thailand and now had a cold so had said they were self isolating. Only for several other members of staff who had been in work with them to turn around and say they were now self isolating.

It's a nice little excuse for a skive off work by the sound of it more than a geninue case of some being ill with COVID-19.

Re family history, what I found interesting studying mine and DHs family tree was people were quite long lived if they survived infancy. At times though the infant mortality was it least 50% particularly during the 1840s and the first wave of industrialisation. Deaths after that were typically accidents, childbirth or epidemics like typhoid, tb or smallpox. There wasn't a lot that falls outside those in youth or middle age.

It's a nice little excuse for a skive off work by the sound of it more than a geninue case of some being ill with COVID-19

red this sounds a bit as if you doubt the need to self-isolate? I know from other threads that you are very very data-based, sound research etc, but I think that comment might possibly be unfair?

Surely right now in the UK, a million people have a flu like virus or cold? My GP seems to dismiss everything as a virus or post viral fatigue. How do we know they don’t have coronavirus?

If it gets to the to stage where hundreds of thousands / millions of people have coronavirus how will it be tested / treated? Where will they go and who will look after them?

Millions of people only get statutory sick pay, will they lose their homes when they can’t pay the rent / mortgage?

Are we going to be disciplined and sacked for being off sick with coronavirus? I do love the HR question, “what can you do to stop this from happening again?”

It's a nice little excuse for a skive off work by the sound of it more than a geninue case of some being ill with COVID-19

Yes, I wonder how many are really isolating, as in having all family members going to live somewhere else, and not leaving the house even for a minute. Proper self-isolation is a real logistical nightmare and I doubt people are doing it properly. I'm another vote for the excuse to skive

I wonder how many are really isolating, as in having all family members going to live somewhere else

Surely close family members who live in the same house also need to remain in isolation. Logically they are likely to test positive due to the close contact.

How practical is it to expect your family to move out if you need to self-isolate?

Wouldnt it be better if they all stayed home with you? As they would already potentially have been infected anyway..

This the government official self isolation guide

www.gov.uk/government/publications/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-self-isolation-for-patients-undergoing-testing/advice-sheet-home-isolation

I wonder if all the people claiming they are self isolating it are following it to the letter

One of the Brighton nurses currently in home isolation has said her children were required to leave and stay elsewhere:

www.theargus.co.uk/news/18231078.nurse-coronavirus-self-isolation-speaks-alleged-mismanagement/